What is next for BB?
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I would love if he did a series of coaching instructionals with NFL Films, like "Red on Roundball". Teaching basic techniques, terminologies, how to break down film etc.
East coast; tradition; intelligent players........
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So, the whole "BB wants total power" thing. I get it, because that's how he's rolled, but we also heard that in NE certain areas were smaller compared to most NFL organizations and need to be built up--analytics, scouting, staff--because BB liked things a certain way. I can't imagine that, even if he has total control, he's going to tear down already established departments in Atlanta (or wherever).
I wonder if that's any sort of sticking point, "Hey BB, we know your analytics in NE was 4 people but here we already employ 12 in that area and we're happy with things they're doing." Is BB really going to come in and gut those places?
I just don't think he's getting full control. He may get final say on draft day, but it's not going to be like in NE.
This would sell 10 million copies.
But seriously, if he goes the self-deprecating route and shows the unserious side of his personality that would probably serve him quite well whenever he does stop coaching. No need to go full goofball, but a few smiles here or there.
I think from what we're hearing Bill has not asked for total control anywhere. What I think he has asked for is that he will have significant say, and that he deals with the owner. In ATL most local people are saying that the holdup in hiring Bill is the same one that lead to a wideranging search last time ending on an inexperienced Arthur Smith.... Rich McKay doesn't want to give up the power in football matter that he clawed back when DiMitroff left, and Blank hasn't been willing to fire his old friend. I'd honestly be a bit surprised if any of the strong vet coaches (Bill, Vrabel, Harbaugh before he signed in LAC) end up there. Nobody want to report to a GM who then reports to a hack who then filters your words to the owner, then filters the owner's words back. First time coaches will do it because.... jobs a job and when you fail you can go back to being a coordinator or college for a bit then get another one.
My guess is that a Belichick book would have the equivalent of a 99 share among New England readers, and a decent amount of interest in other locales. I'm sure the ghost riders have already approached him; I think Shaughnessy dreamt up his book the instant Francona left his office in the Fenway clubhouse.
I expect a book filled with both amusing and not-so-amusing anecdotes and historical tidbits along with some playful pokes at various folks in the media. He will not do anything that will hurt his sons' chances at coaching, so I don't expect to get any real dirt. Still, I would not be surprised if he partially threw the NFL under the go-kart for the various -gates.
Probably have to wait a few years still, and have to hope Bill would be up for it afterwards.
I expect a book filled with both amusing and not-so-amusing anecdotes and historical tidbits along with some playful pokes at various folks in the media. He will not do anything that will hurt his sons' chances at coaching, so I don't expect to get any real dirt. Still, I would not be surprised if he partially threw the NFL under the go-kart for the various -gates.
Probably have to wait a few years still, and have to hope Bill would be up for it afterwards.
Not sure salary is an issue here with BB, as I'm surmising that his NEP offset language will see RKK pick up any difference.
I think it's all about structure and power. Atlanta seems leery of handing over the keys to the kingdom for a short-timer, GOAT or no GOAT. A dramatically different organizational setup would serve no purpose in 3-4 years when BB retires for good.
I think it's all about structure and power. Atlanta seems leery of handing over the keys to the kingdom for a short-timer, GOAT or no GOAT. A dramatically different organizational setup would serve no purpose in 3-4 years when BB retires for good.
Have you been following college football in the past couple of years? (I jest.) Between the transfer portal and NIL, I don't think Pete would have a "good time" returning to the college game. 3 of 4 CFB playoff coaches are no longer at their schools. The game is mayhem right now.
I'm not in the weeds enough to know but I would think the NIL stuff is easier to manage than whatever the hell Pete was up to at USC in the early 2000s. At least things are (or can be) out in the open.
That's the problem. It's the combination of out in the open AND under the hood AND the yearly threat of the transfer portal. Some players are preferring to take the risk that their talent + private coaching/training will offset what they lose in consistent practice and game experience towards the goal of making it to the NFL. And the NFL is always youth-hungry, so I don't think they particularly care if the NCAA falls apart. One fewer ratings threat.
I am kind of shocked that BB has had no interest from teams besides Atlanta. I would interview him just to pick his brain about my team. Is he just seen as a 3 year and done guy? Or teams are afraid that he has had a dreadful offense for two years?
So as I noted... why do people assume he has had no interest? Now DAL (and PHI?) decided not to fire their playoff coaches, but WAS/CAR/LAC etc.... we have no idea if they reached out to and were told he wasn't interested. I don't think there is any reason to assume Bill isn't going to be pretty particular about who he interviews with (much like Harbaugh only took 2 interviews). I would guess Bill has a short list of places he would go based on football and personal considerations.
Also, Florio said earlier this week that at least one team that doesn’t have a coaching vacancy is interested. It has been speculated in this thread that this is Jacksonville which I would assume would be very attractive to Bill – well-regarded owner, talent on both sides of the ball and at the QB position in particular. I wouldn’t call it quits just yet.
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I get why ATL might not want Bill because I'm sure they would like a long term solution, instead of re-doing this search in 3 years again. Which is why I favored a ready made team like Dallas or Philly with a QB (assuming they were open) for Bill because I thought it worked well for both sides.
I still don't get the appeal to Atlanta by Bill because without a QB it could a dumpster fire like the Pats last season - and he would be blamed for it, further damaging his reputation. I'm not sold on 37 year old Cousins coming off an Achilles in a new system like some people.
I think BB has no interest. Florio was speculating it weeks ago that he wouldn't want to be there (also noted Harbaugh and maybe Vrabel as well at the end of the segment) based on their setup.. they have a bunch of minority owners who unlike most franchises seem to have their hands in stuff, they have all these advisors, a GM, it's sneakily a bit of a mess there in terms of.... "who is in charge?"
They have paths to a QB, but little chance it would be a disaster because the O-line is excellent for a non-playoff team, they won 7 games last year and they have talent.
I think long term is probably not high on Blank's list given his age and 22 years of very little success. He wants to win, and win soon. The real answer is Bill isn't going to work for McKay who has become the Falcons Wormtongue. Amusing that Blank would side with McKay, who... yes helped get that stadium built, but also...... the only success in his entire ownership period was when McKay got pushed out of football ops, before that they were bad, and after he weaseled his way back in they were bad.
I don't know how much interest he has had but I think the trepidation is almost entirely due to the idea that he wants full control of whatever team he goes to.
Full control then raises the issue that he seemingly can't pick offensive players for his life...and then he is also 72 years old.
It's a lot of upheaval for any franchise
There’s no evidence he wants full control. In fact, there are reports that imply the opposite.
Where are these reports? I honestly haven't seen word one about Belichick since he's been on the market other than that he interviewed with Atlanta and Rich McKay may be a stumbling block for him being offered and accepting that job
I have a difficult time seeing Steve as a selling point. If that’s what he’s doing, then it’s no wonder they’re interviewing other candidates.
Bill said himself here that full control was not a requirement to keeping this job. I know that some are speculating that was a negotiating stance, but Bill has never said publicly that full control is a requirement for his new job, nor has anyone credibly reported that as a bone of contention. Not wanting to report to McKay doesn't equal "must have full control". It just means that he doesn't want to be set up for failure. He could very well accept a result where both he and the GM report to the owner, but it needs to be a guy who isn't an idiot.
The reality is there is no evidence in either direction. The only evidence relates to him potentially staying in NE.
I wonder if he is getting offers from networks. He has more football knowledge that just about any networks "analysts" combined and is very good in front of the camera when it is on his terms. An expanded Belichick breakdown segment as part of pre-game would be must watch TV. He obviously isn't going into the booth but you'd think any network would be very interested in having him part of the production.
It feels like BB would be both fantastic at and miserable doing any sort of media appearances. Like I can see him enjoying the work it takes to do breakdowns and present them to an audience. But I can also see him bristling at his segments getting cut and producers looking for bite sized terminology where BB is inclined for more detailed analysis. He doesn't seem to have much patience for suits and from what I understand, media has lots of suits so that dynamic would be fascinating. However as you note, he is very good in front of the camera so maybe he can make it work.
Falcons just hired Raheem Morris lol:
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Hiring Bill was always going to be an ownership only move. Regardless of Bill's official title, no GM is going to want this guy taking his authority and talking directly to the owner.
Combine that with the fact that Kraft has probably been privately complaining to all the owners about Bill for years, not too surprised teams aren't lining up.
Add in the fact Bill isn't going to some awful team like Carolina, the Venn Diagram never included many options.
Combine that with the fact that Kraft has probably been privately complaining to all the owners about Bill for years, not too surprised teams aren't lining up.
Add in the fact Bill isn't going to some awful team like Carolina, the Venn Diagram never included many options.
Maybe teams have looked at what the Patriots roster has become in the last 4 years and said to themselves I don’t want that guy.
Could just be bill’s stubbornness that is preventing him from getting a new gig. Talking heads seem to think Bill wants full control of personnel and teams just aren’t willing to do so. If that is the case, I can’t say I blame teams for not wanting to give 72 year old BB full control.
It could be the end for him sadly.
It could be the end for him sadly.
Bill could pretty easily dispel this if he wanted to (or saw the need to). His season-ending comments might have been one attempt at doing so. What surprises me most is that he let his name be bandied about in the media as a candidate (including by the Falcons) without a clear idea he would be the hire. The guy doesn't lack for confidence, but it still has to sting a bit (and awaken some long repressed young coach, job instability trauma) to be passed over, particularly for a guy with very limited experience or success.
If I’m the Saints, I fire Allen and then hire BB to go up against Morris 2x a year. That’s an easy 5-1 division record. Defense already in place. May need to trade up for a QB and they’re probably still in cap hell but if he gets them a 2nd SB they will build a statue for him.
We're fast-approaching a situation where beggars can't be choosers if he wants to coach in 2024-5 (but everything you said is true -- WAS is a high-risk job).
He could be a studio commentator in the meantime.
HOST: "Bill, tell us, what do you think about the lack of offense in the Denver/Pittsburgh game?"
BB: "Yeah, we're on to the Cardinals/Seahawks highlights."
I don't see Bill as the kind of guy who wants to come in midseason. I also don't think it's the worst thing for him to take a year off, recharge and work on his relationships around the league for when the next gig comes open in 2025. Giants job might be open, Dallas, Philly, Buffalo or others.
Wow, re-hiring the guy who was 4-7 as their HC in 2020 and has a .356 winning % over four years as a HC is something.
it’s also the reason he’s gone from NE. I was a BB over Brady guy and I was wrong. What NFL owner really wants to deal with Bill?
This doesn’t happen in the NFL. Teams who fire coaches mid season don’t hire guys off the street like they do in the NBA or NHL. They go interim off their own current staff.
Eh. With how low quality coaches are - I'd say he'd be an upgrade for a number of teams. He had one very bad year. He almost made the playoffs with the corpse of Cam Newton. He made the playoffs with 10 wins with Mac Jones as a rookie. Then as Mac slid, so to did the Patriots.
I think it's pretty impressive what he's done post-Brady.
Baker Mayfield just took the Bucs to the Divisional Game.
Raheem Morris (and Rich McKay gets to feel warm and fuzzy) over BB is embarrassing. But ok. Looking forward to rooting for their cataclysmic humiliation.