Doubtful that it doesn’t impact the cap. it has lots of guarantees. Just have to wait to see.If this is through 2028 then he plays 2024 at his current cap hit right?
If so, I don’t think this hits the 2024 cap, which would mean the Patriots still have $54m?
If you figure they are buying out a year they had him under control for $1.8 million, I don’t think so. If I had guessed, I would have said $50m, but this is within the zone. Sounds like they basically gave him $40 million to do a deal adding some years. It probably will turn out to be a real 3 year deal.
You never know of course but I don't see the bolded being an issue that will come up with Mayo at the helm.“Maximum value” implies incentives. We should know in the next few days.
This is turning out to be a silent but significant shift in how the Patriots are doing business. They have a very significant amount of incentives floating out there. I wonder how they are accounting for them? Maybe they have some kind of rudimentary algorithm. Bill didn’t do too much of this. He probably preferred cap certainty. The Patriots are doing deals that allow players to bet on themselves.
Incentives make me a little leery, because they can threaten to pit coaches against players at the end of the year. But by and large this seems to be the new normal for the club.
It is also something to take into account when looking at cap space — it may be misleading since so many of these incentives have been NLTBE.
I don't think that's right. The last several years a lot of the contracts have been pretty heavy on game day roster bonuses. He always seemed to have significant workout bonuses“Maximum value” implies incentives. We should know in the next few days.
This is turning out to be a silent but significant shift in how the Patriots are doing business. They have a very significant amount of incentives floating out there. I wonder how they are accounting for them? Maybe they have some kind of rudimentary algorithm. Bill didn’t do too much of this. He probably preferred cap certainty. The Patriots are doing deals that allow players to bet on themselves.
Incentives make me a little leery, because they can threaten to pit coaches against players at the end of the year. But by and large this seems to be the new normal for the club.
It is also something to take into account when looking at cap space — it may be misleading since so many of these incentives have been NLTBE.
I think in many cases those were LTBE. So Bill’s method was to give incentives and then have the possible upside of cap savings the next year(s) if not earned. I admit that I did not follow it all that closely and could be wrong, but that seems likely since Bill had several years where he was not carrying over much space.I don't think that's right. The last several years a lot of the contracts have been pretty heavy on game day roster bonuses. He always seemed to have significant workout bonuses
I would imagine his relationship with Mayo and Covington factors in here. Not that he's taking a discount, but he is choosing to forego the open market.I think he'd get significantly more in the open market if his 2024 replicated last year. Very happy with this deal, they have the money, no reason to have this hanging over the team and player.
I could never be an agent. I would be such a chicken shit. Basically the calculus is how much do I need to risk injury or serious regression? He was due to make less than $2 million this year. Once the numbers got over $20 or $30 million in guarantees, I’d start panicking. Really takes nerves to be in that game.I would imagine his relationship with Mayo and Covington factors in here. Not that he's taking a discount, but he is choosing to forego the open market.
Isn’t it much more if they aren’t good in a few years it’s because Maye sucks? Why does the length of a DT’s second contract have any bearing on the competitive window for a franchise? Like, even the Rams had to go and get Stafford to win a title and they had the best DT in the history of the game. This contract matters because you probably don’t want to sign the next one, not because championship windows are determined by DTs.So when thinking about competitive window and rebuilding, this contract is a marker. After 5 years, Barmore is past his prime and maybe gone. Also Maye's rookie deal will be up. 2024 is almosst certainly going to be a noncompetitive year, but if they aren't building towards success next year and entering contention in years 3,4,5, then they will have failed.
I don't think Barmore's position has anything to do with it. But he is their best defensive player and now locked in during the Maye rookie contract window.Isn’t it much more if they aren’t good in a few years it’s because Maye sucks? Why does the length of a DT’s second contract have any bearing on the competitive window for a franchise? Like, even the Rams had to go and get Stafford to win a title and they had the best DT in the history of the game. This contract matters because you probably don’t want to sign the next one, not because championship windows are determined by DTs.
a little optimistic that either of those guys will be around in 8 years.Barmore and Gonzalez are a great foundation for a good D for the next 8-10 years, health permitting. If he hits his incentives, he's an all-pro DT most likely. Not a bad deal.
He also drafted QB, TE, T, G and C who all ended up getting top 5 or better money at their position.Bill could certainly draft on the D-side of the ball.
We'll know when Miguel posts it, but my guess is that main impact for this year will be some extra cap impact in the form of 1/5th of whatever amount of the $40 million is signing bonus. He may also get guaranteed salary this year, which would be added to the cap. If there are incentives, we need to know if they are LTBE or NLTBE. An incentive for 8 sacks would be LTBE and would count on this year's cap. An incentive for 9 sacks would be NLTBE and would only count on next year's cap (if reached). A pro bowl incentive would be NLTBE, as would a playoff incentive, etc.What is the cap impact of the extension this year? Curious if they’re getting the brunt of it on this year’s books when we have a lot of space and and making it less impactful in future years when we’ll be more likely to aggressively add to the team.
Drew Bledsoe and his 10\$103M from 2001 says hello…
I think he means annually.Drew Bledsoe and his 10\$103M from 2001 says hello…