New York Knicks (2) vs Indiana Pacers (6) - 2024 EC Second Round

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The Celtics are going to curb stomp whichever one of these teams that win
 

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The remaining healthy Knicks might be better off staying in NYC. Game 5 is Tuesday May 14th.

What an effort, but they are running out of decent players. These hamstring strains and sore feet might not be random.

The seas are parting for the Celtics if they can take advantage...
 

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I picked Knicks in 5, but with OG injury looking bad, I can see this going 6 or 7, even down 0-2.

And if OG is out against the Celtics and KP can come back, I don't think the Knicks have much chance. Of course, lots of other injuries can take place between now and then, but OG out with the Knicks already thin is probably a death blow to their championship hopes.
 

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Must be nice to get a foul call any time you want one.. Brunson gets a ridiculous whistle.
 

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Siakam to me is the wing version of Bam. Good player? Sure. But at the end of the day has pretty weak handle, a limited bag of tricks, and can’t really shoot.

I’m recalling past suggestions that he was better than Jaylen.

Myles was another “trade Jaylen for” guy for a while.

I do think the Pacers can push this series to 6 but need to clean some things up of course.
 

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The remaining healthy Knicks might be better off staying in NYC. Game 5 is Tuesday May 14th.

What an effort, but they are running out of decent players. These hamstring strains and sore feet might not be random.

The seas are parting for the Celtics if they can take advantage...
Josh Hart playing five complete games in a row seems not all that smart.. but I guess we'll see.
 

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The Knicks are fun to watch. Such a war of attrition this time of year.
 

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Must be nice to get a foul call any time you want one.. Brunson gets a ridiculous whistle.
Brunson initiates a lot of it but there's usually an enormous amount of contact between him and whoever is defending him. The Brunson / McConnell battle was amazing, they were basically riding each other back and forth across the court.

Carlisle being too zen to break glass and use McConnell in finishing lineups has lost them at least 1 game here in my opinion
 

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I picked Knicks in 5, but with OG injury looking bad, I can see this going 6 or 7, even down 0-2.

And if OG is out against the Celtics and KP can come back, I don't think the Knicks have much chance. Of course, lots of other injuries can take place between now and then, but OG out with the Knicks already thin is probably a death blow to their championship hopes.
This still screams 7 games for me. Knicks are going to have trouble winning a game in Indy without OG.
 

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Brunson initiates a lot of it but there's usually an enormous amount of contact between him and whoever is defending him. The Brunson / McConnell battle was amazing, they were basically riding each other back and forth across the court.

Carlisle being too zen to break glass and use McConnell in finishing lineups has lost them at least 1 game here in my opinion
Yeah.. I agree with the last part.. McConnell not playing is just dumb. I think Carlisle is coaching like Haliburton is all right. Pacers have also had most of the calls go against them down the stretch the last two games.. any crew Marc Davis is on absolutely sucks.

As you said.. Brunson creates a lot of contact to the point where I'm not sure why the defender is getting called every time he throws his head back or throws his arm out like he's the one getting fouled.
 

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Carlisle being too zen to break glass and use McConnell in finishing lineups has lost them at least 1 game here in my opinion
Lowe said on his podcast that Brunson was averagin 1.6 points per possession on isolations. I'm sure that number didn't go down after tonight.

Which is madness that they keep letting Brunson go 1 on 1 against Nembhard. Nembhard isn't a bad defender but he's just not physical enough for Brunson.
 

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Josh Hart playing five complete games in a row seems not all that smart.. but I guess we'll see.
Did you see their 2nd unit in the first half? They are playing to win a playoff series and have to hope that they survive it physically. It’s their only chance.
 

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I love Charles as much as the next guy but LOL on Inside the NBA, “You know why I don’t like analytics?” Then goes on about offensive rebounding numbers. Good lord.
 

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The intensity the Kincks bring to these games is incredible and worthy of some begrudging respect. I'd sit Brunson in Game 3 unless he's back close to 100% though. (Same with OG.) Let Game 3 go and focus on the remainder.
 

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No. if Brunson can go, winning game three is the knockout punch for them.

EDIT: All the pressure will be on Indy to win game 3. It's survive, rest, and advance season now.
 

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It’s weird that Josh Hart is playing every minute. I mean, he’s fine, but 40 min ppg in the second half / playoffs? Kind of surprising he’s the guy playing every minute. 39 minutes for Hartenstein? It’s kind of wild, but I guess now is the time to push it.
 

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It’s weird that Josh Hart is playing every minute. I mean, he’s fine, but 40 min ppg in the second half / playoffs? 39 minutes for Hartenstein? It’s kind of wild, but I guess now is the time to push it.
They aren’t really pushing it though. Hart played B2B 45-min games last month when he avg 42 mph during the month. He’s conditioned for it and so are the Knicks. Which team looked more spent down the stretch tonight? Those were big minutes for Hartenstein but that was due to Robinson being injured and Achiuwa being such a downgrade. They don’t really have a choice but to go close to 48 if they want to win these games to advance.
 

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They aren’t really pushing it though. Hart played B2B 45-min games last month when he avg 42 mph during the month. He’s conditioned for it and so are the Knicks. Which team looked more spent down the stretch tonight? Those were big minutes for Hartenstein but that was due to Robinson being injured and Achiuwa being such a downgrade. They don’t really have a choice but to go close to 48 if they want to win these games to advance.
Yeah, you are right. Hart has been playing 40+ mins per game for months now. And the Knicks certainly seemed to have a lot more energy than the Pacers down the stretch- will be curious to see how they look on the road. Can they keep playing at this intensity as the minutes pile up? If they’ve been doing it for months, I guess?
 

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Yeah, you are right. Hart has been playing 40+ mins per game for months now. And the Knicks certainly seemed to have a lot more energy than the Pacers down the stretch- will be curious to see how they look on the road. Can they keep playing at this intensity as the minutes pile up? If they’ve been doing it for months, I guess?
I think they are in trouble the next two games in Indiana but they only need to take care of their home court in this series to advance.
 

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Like everyone else, I am completely befuddled by the McConnell usage. That said, the fact that Carlisle got this bunch of yahoos into the second round of the playoffs is pretty impressive.
 

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Siakam 14-32 from the free throw line in these playoffs. Oof

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The second of his two bricks in the 4th was completely non-competitive, too — he looked totally psyched out. At that point the Pacers were down 5 and 0-5 from the FT stripe in the 4th.

Which, naturally, reminded me of one of many amazing Steph stats: from 2015-2019 Steph hit **81 straight FTs** in the 4th quarter and OT of playoff games. Someone worked out that the nominal chances of a ~90% FT shooter hitting 81 straight (in a roughly 130 shot sample) were on the order of 0.2%.
 

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Sometimes tennis players win matches and then can't go the next round and have to forfeit, the Knicks are going to have to forfeit the Conference Finals if they get there. Obi Toppin's brother will have to play!!
 

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Brunson a +26 in 32 minutes, so impressive.
Not enough superlatives can be thrown Brunson’s way. One of those speechless performances. I do wonder however what his real injury is and how he will respond tomorrow once the adrenaline has worn off. They kept talking about “right foot” when he was clutching his left thigh so gamesmanship seems more likely than not from where I’m videoing this from.
 

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Pacers suck. If you can't beat a playoff team who is half hobbling and half injured, you suck. Knicks are gonna lose a game, maybe 2, but I don't think this series is really in doubt.

This forum continues to underrate Hart, DiVincenzo, and Hartenstein though. It's an incredibly formidable top 4.
 

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Pacers suck. If you can't beat a playoff team who is half hobbling and half injured, you suck. Knicks are gonna lose a game, maybe 2, but I don't think this series is really in doubt.

This forum continues to underrate Hart, DiVincenzo, and Hartenstein though. It's an incredibly formidable top 4.
The Knicks are going to be pretty significant underdogs on the road in the Indiana games of 6-7 points. NBA teams do play differently with the energy of their fans in the playoffs even when travel is equal.
 

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Brunson a +26 in 32 minutes, so impressive.
Impressive, so Knicks were -17 (net +43!) when he was off the court and many here were saying that wasn’t good enough for the Pacers and they were correct.

Through the first two games Pacers +19 with McConnell on the floor, -32 without him.
Normally I’d point out McConnell plays against a lot of bench players during Haliburton’s rest, but the Knicks don’t play a bench, so this matches my eye test.
 

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Pacers suck. If you can't beat a playoff team who is half hobbling and half injured, you suck. Knicks are gonna lose a game, maybe 2, but I don't think this series is really in doubt.

This forum continues to underrate Hart, DiVincenzo, and Hartenstein though. It's an incredibly formidable top 4.
I don't underrate them.

Hart reminds me so much of Starks. Just an all-heart, do-everything dirt dog who occasionally does some dumb stuff. But he's more clutch than Starks and his nose for the ball on rebounds is unreal.

And I loved Dante on the Warriors and he's only improved. I thought the Knicks had slightly overpaid when they signed him. Boy was I wrong.
 

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Brunson is the Knicks star and they have a lot of other talented players as well. But at this particular moment, Josh Hart might be the most popular player on the team with their fanbase. His heads up to Reggie about the chants is the sort of thing that crowd loves as much as winning.