Derrick White, playoff alpha

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This is the most likely scenario, but by signing DWhite, they'll have left themselves the flexibility to deal any combination of:
- JB
- DWhite
- Jrue
- KP
depending on who is performing well, what other teams' needs are, which other players on the roster develop, etc

I'd be shocked if one or more of those guys isn't dealt within 2 years.
But what happens if they keep winning? Let's say - huge if - they win it all this year, have another great season and maybe make it to ECF/Finals next year... how can Wyc tell the fan base "We're going to make this trade to save money despite being a championship quality team"? How many teams winning at this level have downgraded for pure salary reasons?
 

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But what happens if they keep winning? Let's say - huge if - they win it all this year, have another great season and maybe make it to ECF/Finals next year... how can Wyc tell the fan base "We're going to make this trade to save money despite being a championship quality team"? How many teams winning at this level have downgraded for pure salary reasons?
He won’t
 

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Where are we currently ranking the White trade on all-time Celtics moves?

Russell for Hagen/Macauley
Parish/McHale for Joe Barely Cares
Nets Heist for Tatum/Brown
KG Trade
Ray Allen trade
DJ for Robey

Am I missing any major ones? So, maybe somewhere in the 7-10 range all-time for a franchise that has a laundry list of great trades.

Adding a ring probably moves him into that illustrious group.
 

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Where are we currently ranking the White trade on all-time Celtics moves?

Russell for Hagen/Macauley
Parish/McHale for Joe Barely Cares
Nets Heist for Tatum/Brown
KG Trade
Ray Allen trade
DJ for Robey

Am I missing any major ones? So, maybe somewhere in the 7-10 range all-time for a franchise that has a laundry list of great trades.

Adding a ring probably moves him into that illustrious group.
DJ for Robey is a very hard one to beat (given what was obvious at the time about the qualities of each player)
 

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There are a lot of teams who have another guy who's the center of attention, and who could really use DWhite. Spurs with Wemby, Detroit with Cade, Atlanta with Trae....I'm sure I can find more.
Of course, but what is being a 1c worth? $40 million? $30million.?

Would you hesitate to match a $30mill offer for DW (assuming his performance stays at this season's level --- which had its relative ups and downs).

But $40????
 

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Of course, but what is being a 1c worth? $40 million? $30million.?

Would you hesitate to match a $30mill offer for DW (assuming his performance stays at this season's level --- which had its relative ups and downs).

But $40????
In the new cap, 40 easily. See the FVV contract.
 

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But what happens if they keep winning? Let's say - huge if - they win it all this year, have another great season and maybe make it to ECF/Finals next year... how can Wyc tell the fan base "We're going to make this trade to save money despite being a championship quality team"? How many teams winning at this level have downgraded for pure salary reasons?
I think any trade in a season or two from now will be to set themselves up for some flexibility to deal with inevitable aging curves of Jrue, KP, and, of course, Al Horford. It's too early to predict who, despite Brown being everyone's favorite trade candidate.
 

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Where are we currently ranking the White trade on all-time Celtics moves?

Russell for Hagen/Macauley
Parish/McHale for Joe Barely Cares
Nets Heist for Tatum/Brown
KG Trade
Ray Allen trade
DJ for Robey

Am I missing any major ones? So, maybe somewhere in the 7-10 range all-time for a franchise that has a laundry list of great trades.

Adding a ring probably moves him into that illustrious group.
Should have been Henderson for Bias.

Maxwell for Walton helped bring a title.

Rondo and Perk were both acquired during draft trades. Fultz for Tatum + Langford (who was traded to get White). That Nets trade was the gift that kept on giving. If they hadn't traded the 2018 pick for Kyrie, they would have been in position to get SGA.

White trade is definitely up there.
 
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Should have been Henderson for Bias.

Maxwell for Walton helped bring a title.

Rondo and Perk were both acquired during draft trades. Fultz for Tatum + Langford (who was traded to get White). That Nets trade was the gift that kept on giving. If they hadn't traded the 2018 pick for Kyrie, they would have been in position to get SGA.

White trade is definitely up there.
Or Bridges or MPJ(or any of the half dozen or so decent role players taken within a dozen spots of that pick). It was the right move (and I think the IT situation would've gotten very ugly), but there was some talent on the board.
 

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Where are we currently ranking the White trade on all-time Celtics moves?

Russell for Hagen/Macauley
Parish/McHale for Joe Barely Cares
Nets Heist for Tatum/Brown
KG Trade
Ray Allen trade
DJ for Robey

Am I missing any major ones? So, maybe somewhere in the 7-10 range all-time for a franchise that has a laundry list of great trades.

Adding a ring probably moves him into that illustrious group.
Should have been Henderson for Bias.

Maxwell for Walton helped bring a title.

Rondo and Perk were both acquired during draft trades. Fultz for Tatum + Langford (who was traded to get White). That Nets trade was the gift that kept on giving. If they hadn't traded the 2018 pick for Kyrie, they would have been in position to get SGA.

White trade is definitely up there.
A bit under the radar compared to the above, but getting Paul Silas for the rights to Charlie Scott was pretty important to the team's 12th and 13th titles.

Bailey Howell for Mel Counts was a robbery that helped the Celtics win banners in 1968 and 1969 as the Russell-led core was aging.
 

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Where are we currently ranking the White trade on all-time Celtics moves?

Russell for Hagen/Macauley
Parish/McHale for Joe Barely Cares
Nets Heist for Tatum/Brown
KG Trade
Ray Allen trade
DJ for Robey

Am I missing any major ones? So, maybe somewhere in the 7-10 range all-time for a franchise that has a laundry list of great trades.

Adding a ring probably moves him into that illustrious group.
You left out the Ice Capades on that first one
 

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Jrue is gonna be the one dealt first - seems obvious. He is significantly older than DW, has played more minutes same age - and they duplicate each others' skill sets a lot. Staple him with draft capital once he starts to decline or has a year left on his deal for a good young guard on a bad-to-average team.
 

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Should have been Henderson for Bias.

Maxwell for Walton helped bring a title.

Rondo and Perk were both acquired during draft trades. Fultz for Tatum + Langford (who was traded to get White). That Nets trade was the gift that kept on giving. If they hadn't traded the 2018 pick for Kyrie, they would have been in position to get SGA.

White trade is definitely up there.
I think these kind of evaluations have gotten harder in recent years, because movement of contracts has become as much a part of trades of veterans as movement of players and picks.

Nominally speaking, the Celtics traded Marcus Smart, Danilo Gallinari, Mike Muscala and Julian Phillips (who) for Kristaps Porzingis, Marcus Sasser (also who), and a first round draft pick. Smart for KP and a pick makes no sense, unless you consider that Kristaps, if not traded, was going to opt out and hit UFA, leaving Washington with nothing. The decision to bring KP here was a brilliant one, but as a trade it can't really be evaluated alongside the McHale/Parish deal or the Robey for DJ deal.

The Celtics also traded the fossilize remains of Kemba Walker, a 1st round pick, and a second round pick to OKC for Al Horford, Moses Brown, and a second. This is a great deal because they shed salary while adding a very good player.

The White deal wasn't about contract so much, unless SA was doing it in part to shed salary - but even if so it was a miscalculation.
 
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My understanding is that Popovich traded Derrick White because he loved the guy and wanted him to play under brighter lights, and SA was probably going to suck the next few years (and has), and he wanted to do right by him. And therefore he accepted deal terms that were just kinda ok. That we got the benefit of Popovich being the epitome of a player's coach, but it has less to do with us/Brad than with Pop and White's relationship.
 

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My understanding is that Popovich traded Derrick White because he loved the guy and wanted him to play under brighter lights, and SA was probably going to suck the next few years (and has), and he wanted to do right by him. And therefore he accepted deal terms that were just kinda ok. That we got the benefit of Popovich being the epitome of a player's coach, but it has less to do with us/Brad than with Pop and White's relationship.
How about karmic pay back for "stealing" Tim Duncan from the Celts in the 1997 draft?

The Boston Celtics had the second-worst record in the 1996–97 season and the best odds (36 percent) of winning the lottery with two picks, the Spurs lost David Robinson and Sean Elliott to injury early in the season, finished with the third-worst record, and subsequently won the lottery. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1997_NBA_draft).​

From a meta point of view, SA pulled this off by via a positively Auerbachian move of sucking for JUST ONE YEAR:
59-23 (2nd in west) in in 95/96, 20-62 in 96/97 (which gave them 3rd spot in the lottery), and 56-26 in 97/98 (5th in west)

Squaring the Karma seemed to work -- how else to explain getting Wemby?