Round 2: Celtics vs Cavs

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I still can’t get over Joe playing Xavier Tillman in the fourth when they were teetering on the brink of blowout and desperately needed to go on a run. I think Joe is a good coach and much of the criticism of him is overblown, but that was really fucking bad. Starters need to be playing playoff minutes not November minutes.
 

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I still can’t get over Joe playing Xavier Tillman in the fourth when they were teetering on the brink of blowout and desperately needed to go on a run. I think Joe is a good coach and much of the criticism of him is overblown, but that was really fucking bad. Starters need to be playing playoff minutes not November minutes.
It’s as if he read some of the criticism in the Knicks thread and thought it would be cool to provide the exact other side of the extreme to balance it out.
 

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Relax guys, in 2008 they went 7 games in the first two rounds and 6 games in the last two rounds with an all-time team. If they look the same and get blown out in Game 3, then we'll talk...
 

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That game annoyed me more than I could describe lol.
Agreed. It was very frustrating. The defense had long lapses. The starting backcourt was dogshit. Horford was roasted all night. Joe coached the game like it was a random Tuesday and not the playoffs.

Despite all of that, this feels a lot like Game 2 against Miami. I think the next 3 games will follow that same script
 

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The double big lineups were hurting the spacing, spacing that looked off the charts good early in the game. Like at one point I was thinking Cavs fans must be so frustrated because everything is so easy for the Celtics. Then, the subbing began.
 

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They’re obviously going to win this series and the next, but they need to iron this shit out before the Finals because whoever comes out of the West is going to be a completely different animal compared to anyone they play in the East. They won’t be able to get away with not showing up at home in the Finals.
 

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I still can’t get over Joe playing Xavier Tillman in the fourth when they were teetering on the brink of blowout and desperately needed to go on a run. I think Joe is a good coach and much of the criticism of him is overblown, but that was really fucking bad. Starters need to be playing playoff minutes not November minutes.
I had hopes of the Big Baby game until Tillman had the ball under the basket then promptly put his tail between his legs and attempted to pass out to the perimeter. Yikes
 

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I had flashbacks of the Big Baby game until Tillman had the ball under the basket then promptly put his tail between his legs and attempted to pass out to the perimeter. Yikes
I like Tillman. I think he’s going to be a very useful rotation piece next year.

But goddamn. If he’s not going to go up and take a layup in that situation then he’s effectively useless and can’t be on the court. Give Kornet his minutes….and no more double big please
 

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I had hopes of the Big Baby game until Tillman had the ball under the basket then promptly put his tail between his legs and attempted to pass out to the perimeter. Yikes
He was getting abused off the dribble as well. Nice move by Brad to give him a try, but he shouldn’t see the floor again in these playoffs. His defense isn’t nearly good enough to offset his complete lack of offensive ability.
 

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He has not been good, but he did only average 12.5 points on the season (and he is actually averaging nearly 9 points, not 9).Those 3.5 points per game not coming from him aren't what has been hurting them. And they are 5-2 in the playoffs so far, so all is still good
Jrue is here to be the unselfish Smart with great D and not hogging the ball on offense. I couldn't care less about below his average on O, they have much bigger concerns right now.
He averaged 20ppg for 6 seasons until coming here. He stepped aside because the team was deep. Acting like we shouldn't expect more when we need points is bonkers.
 

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Do they? Yea it sucks they lost, but this happened last series and then they stomped on the Heat. One loss means nothing. There are no bigger concerns until they lose 2, or maybe even 3 in a series
I suppose, but it'd be nice to answer some questions before the Finals.

It's like they think they will coast to the Finals so they didn't take this game as seriously as they ought to. And now the door is slightly ajar for Donovan Mitchell to shoot them to Cancun, especially if they lose another game dicking around.
 

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This doesn't matter at all, but being the only series this round to not be 2-0 would be at least somewhat embarrassing.
 

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I still can’t get over Joe playing Xavier Tillman in the fourth when they were teetering on the brink of blowout and desperately needed to go on a run. I think Joe is a good coach and much of the criticism of him is overblown, but that was really fucking bad. Starters need to be playing playoff minutes not November minutes.
This strand of analysis has a lazy post-hoc flavor.

Did the double bigs do good work in game 1 (Yes).
Was Kornet playing that well (not really).
Was Tatum (or anyone ) lighting it up (no).

It ignores the big problem that DW lost his touch, and no one else was better than their average.
IOW: another case where the Js playing good (but not great) is not enough to beat playoff caliber teams.

However, THE strength of this team is they have a lot of guys who can provide good to great games (even without KP).

Addressing why this -- simultaneious blah games from several good players (and good games from great players) -- happens to this Team So Often When They Got a Lead is
... far more important than fretting over mightAsWellTryThis gambits (double bigs) that didn't work.

Maybe it is just variance, but damn I am not seeing this blahsness from okc, minn, or the over achieving knicks.
 

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Relax guys, in 2008 they went 7 games in the first two rounds and 6 games in the last two rounds with an all-time team. If they look the same and get blown out in Game 3, then we'll talk...
The flip side of being just .500 at home in the playoffs (while still making deep runs almost every year) is that they've been excellent on the road. We could all do without the lapses at home, but I'm more annoyed than nervous at this point.
 

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This doesn't matter at all, but being the only series this round to not be 2-0 would be at least somewhat embarrassing.
I don't get how losing an NBA playoff game is embarrassing but perhaps the Thunder losing to a thin, hobbled Mavs team will save some from their shame.
 

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I don't get how losing an NBA playoff game is embarrassing but perhaps the Thunder losing to a thin, hobbled Mavs team will save some from their shame.
While that game was being played I listened to a lot of local reaction on pods and Twitter saying you cannot play like this if OKC comes a knocking in the Finals. Lol. Meanwhile, the prohibitive favorite from all the haters is down 0-2 and on the road for the next two.

EDIT: That said, I think it's embarrassing to not give better defensive effort and JB said this after the game, too. The result of losing is probably not embarrassing. Losing by almost 30 when your defensive effort was getting destroyed on the first bounce is. Like your number one job guarding the ball at the point of attack is to make that first bounce east-west not straight downhill and it happened too often tonight against top 10% defenders.
 
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I know no one wants to hear it but you're not gonna win games ever when teams are at 46% and 23% on 3's at decent volumes. HOWEVA

-it did feel like theres a ton they could clean up. I get Horford isn't exactly an ace rim protecter but the looks cleveland got at the rim in the 1st half were ludicrous. Jrue was brutal on defense, Tatum got beat by Levert a few times, to my untrained eye it felt like they've could've clean a lot up there.
-Getting blown out 2h when they were 1-15 from 3 and Cle was 10-15 or something crazy like that is whatever....but they really shouldn't be playing Cleveland to a draw like they did in the first half. Way too much easy stuff at the rim.
-I don't have a lot of advice for Tatum besides "make more shots". He was attacking the rim at a pretty solid clip. Maybe they'll have him on ball a bit more now that we have confirmed Derrick White may not be Steph Curry.
-If Mobley's got 4 fouls in a close game early in the 3rd quarter...idk I kinda think they need to force the issue a bit. Probably not optimal offense but hes the pillar of their entire defense.

Not much to take away from this except the double bigs look w/ Tillman may just not be tenable on offense. I hope Jaylen + White do better then 1/14 on 3's next game and that Tatum starts making more shots. 5 games series w/o home court isn't the best place to be but i'd rather but us then them moving forward here.

edit- 1 more thing Hauser should probably play more then 9 minutes, and get up more then 1 3. I get why they went w/ Pritchard though he gave them some good minutes. Would like to see if SH can help them a bit more on defense but thats beyond my analytical capabilities (which are basically 0 anyways) at the moment.
 

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The flip side of being just .500 at home in the playoffs (while still making deep runs almost every year) is that they've been excellent on the road. We could all do without the lapses at home, but I'm more annoyed than nervous at this point.
They have been historically good when facing elimination. I think I saw a stat going into game 7 last year v the Heat that Tatum's teams had won more games facing elimination at his age than anyone in NBA history and it wasn't close. But, yes, they are a frustrating bunch. That is real even if people's expectations are out of whack.

EDIT: In the last two years (22 and 23), they are 8-2 in games facing elimination. I get why we wish they'd avoid these altogether. I do as well. But I think we're always trying to measure this team against historically great teams that lose only a handful of playoff games on their way to a title. IDK.
 

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To address the Tatum thing, I think all of these:

1. He has been an all-time great performer in clutch playoff situations (on the road v the defending champs facing elimination, down the stretch on the road facing elimination v. the MVP, in game 7 putting up a whopping 51 against that same MVP).

2. He played really well as a playmaker v the Heat

3. He is severely struggling with his individual offense in this series so far and struggled tonight as a playmaker like he did in game 2 v. the Heat

But when I hear he has never done what Mitchell has done in the playoffs like I heard repeatedly on the Garden Report (never listened until) tonight. I mean come on. Mitchell would kill to have Tatum's postseason success and highlights.
 

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To address the Tatum thing, I think all of these:

1. He has been an all-time great performer in clutch playoff situations (on the road v the defending champs facing elimination, down the stretch on the road facing elimination v. the MVP, in game 7 putting up a whopping 51 against that same MVP).

2. He played really well as a playmaker v the Heat

3. He is severely struggling with his individual offense in this series so far and struggled tonight as a playmaker like he did in game 2 v. the Heat

But when I hear he has never done what Mitchell has done in the playoffs like I heard repeatedly on the Garden Report (never listened until) tonight. I mean come on. Mitchell would kill to have Tatum's postseason success and highlights.
To accentuate that point about Tatum's postseason resume, of the top 20 active players in playoff points only 4 (Tatum age 26, 11th with 2,388 points; Giannis age 29, 13th with 2,105 points; Brown age 27, 14th with 2,076 points; and Jokic age 29, with 2,058 points) are under 30. What he's done to this point in his career is remarkable and it is a track record of success, especially when faced with adversity, that gives every reason to think that something good is around the corner.
 

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This team without KP is good enough to win this series but it looks like it may take 6-7 games. With KP and his rim protection if he were to miraculously return for game 3, it probably ends in game 5. Like KP's rim protection makes up for a lot of lazy point of attack defense. If they clean that up and even without KP they will be fine. But considering who lurks on the horizon, they either need to get their s... together guarding the ball (remember game 5 v Miami last year where their will guarding the ball was probably the best we've ever seen from them, they were up in faces at the logo and so tenacious) or learn to ball out offensively and stop feeling bad for themselves.
 

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But when I hear he has never done what Mitchell has done in the playoffs like I heard repeatedly on the Garden Report (never listened until) tonight. I mean come on. Mitchell would kill to have Tatum's postseason success and highlights.
Seriously? I think you should take a look at what Mitchell has done in the postseason when he was in Utah. He had multiple 50-pt games in the same series, and a couple other games in the 40’s and another 50 in carrying those teams.
 

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Seriously? I think you should take a look at what Mitchell has done in the postseason when he was in Utah. He had multiple 50-pt games in the same series, and a couple other games in the 40’s and another 50 in carrying those teams.
Does context not matter? Mitchell wills teams to the second round like what twice? And not conference finals and drafted same year. Tatum gets teams through on the road facing elimination to deeper rounds . I thought that was self explanatory. Idk what am I missing? Mitchell had been to the finals? Mitchell has been to a conference finals? Mitchell has been to the second round two or trheee times? I stand by what I wrote.
 

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Easy to forget it was tied at half.

They absolutely got their doors blown off after halftime.
It’s worse than that, they had an 8 point lead with a couple minutes left in the half.

Edit: Celts had runs of 14-5 and 30-13 in the first half and lost by 24. So they were minus 50 the rest of the game. What???
 
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This is only a thing for folks who told you it was going to be easy.
Hopefully the number of posts about matchups vs Knicks and western conference teams can stop and we can focus on the Cavaliers? That'd be good---here, and for the team as last night it didn't seem like they were.
 

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I still can’t get over Joe playing Xavier Tillman in the fourth when they were teetering on the brink of blowout and desperately needed to go on a run. I think Joe is a good coach and much of the criticism of him is overblown, but that was really fucking bad. Starters need to be playing playoff minutes not November minutes.
I expect the idea was to get control of the boards, which was killing them late third. It didn't work, but it wasn't wrong to try. He also is an energy guy---something else lacking.

The least of their problems last night was plugging in Tillman for a few minutes to change things up.

they gave up 114 points - while bad Celtic 3 of shooting was real, it wasn’t primarily a spacing issues and the clear number one problem was as defense
 
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At the end of the day, it’s the 3 point shooting that will make or break their season. Shoot well, defense is better, and it all falls into place. Shoot poorly and every other part of their game falters.
The bolded is true, and frustrating. Sometimes it seems like they miss a bunch of shots and just slide into a deep funk that affects their play all over the floor, instead of trying to take back momentum in the defensive end as they did at the start of the second quarter.

I still can’t get over Joe playing Xavier Tillman in the fourth when they were teetering on the brink of blowout and desperately needed to go on a run. I think Joe is a good coach and much of the criticism of him is overblown, but that was really fucking bad. Starters need to be playing playoff minutes not November minutes.
The double big lineups were hurting the spacing, spacing that looked off the charts good early in the game. Like at one point I was thinking Cavs fans must be so frustrated because everything is so easy for the Celtics. Then, the subbing began.
I like Tillman. I think he’s going to be a very useful rotation piece next year.

But goddamn. If he’s not going to go up and take a layup in that situation then he’s effectively useless and can’t be on the court. Give Kornet his minutes….and no more double big please
He was getting abused off the dribble as well. Nice move by Brad to give him a try, but he shouldn’t see the floor again in these playoffs. His defense isn’t nearly good enough to offset his complete lack of offensive ability.
So here is what happened with Tillman and the Celtics big rotation last night.

Al started the game and played the first 7 minutes, checking out with the Celtics up by 3, 16-13. Kornet came in and Cleveland went on a 17-8 run, ending the quarter up 30-24.

Al and Tillman started the seond quarter and the Celtics played their only really good stretch of basketball in the entire game. Horford, Tillman, Pritchard, Holiday, and Tatum played the first ~5 minutes, during which the Celtics outscored Cleveland by 18-7. Granted this was with Mitchell and Mobley on the bench. At this point Brown and White came in for Tatum and Holiday, and Mobley and Mitchell back in for Cleveland and over the next couple of minutes the play was more even (7-6 Celtics).

Then Kornet, Holiday, and Tatum came in for Pritchard, Horford, and Tillman, and Cleveland cut the lead to 4 over the next 2 minutes. Then Horford came back for Kornet and with all the starters in Cleveland closed the half on a 7-3 run to tie it.

Anyway, Tillman played in the second half because the Celtics had their best stretch of play in the first half with him out there.

For all that, he was less effective in the second half, though he played less then 4 minutes. He was the only non-garbage-time Celtic with a positive +/-, which suggests that him on the floor was probably not the problem.

EDIT: That said, I think it's embarrassing to not give better defensive effort and JB said this after the game, too. The result of losing is probably not embarrassing. Losing by almost 30 when your defensive effort was getting destroyed on the first bounce is. Like your number one job guarding the ball at the point of attack is to make that first bounce east-west not straight downhill and it happened too often tonight against top 10% defenders.
They have been historically good when facing elimination. I think I saw a stat going into game 7 last year v the Heat that Tatum's teams had won more games facing elimination at his age than anyone in NBA history and it wasn't close. But, yes, they are a frustrating bunch. That is real even if people's expectations are out of whack.

EDIT: In the last two years (22 and 23), they are 8-2 in games facing elimination. I get why we wish they'd avoid these altogether. I do as well. But I think we're always trying to measure this team against historically great teams that lose only a handful of playoff games on their way to a title. IDK.
Being historically good when facing elimination is a double-edged sword. Teams that have to fight off elimination as often as the Celtics did over the past couple of years do not win the finals. No one has played as many of these as the Celtics have over the past few years while not winning. We remember the 2008 team as having a grueling playoff run, and it did take them 20 games to get through 3 rounds, but in terms of elimination games all they had was 2 game 7s. Whether elimination games (particularly non game 7 ones) are especially taxing or just an indication of team quality I don't know, probably the latter.
 

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Honestly, my 2 standout (in a good way) Celtics from last night would have to be Tillman, because of the run at the start of the second quarter, and Pritchard, because he was part of the same run but also because he at least tried to get them going in the second half.
 

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Another game with Tatum not leading them in usage, and after having 16/5/4 in the first half, he was 4th in usage in the second half, behind Jaylen, White, and Pritchard. It’s been almost 6 weeks since he’s taken more than 20 shots in a game. He’s led them in usage in the regular season and playoffs for like 5 seasons, so I don’t really want to hear it’s because his role is initiator lol.

Equal opportunity offense is fine in the regular season, but in the playoffs you need your best player consistently involved, and that hasn’t been the case enough.

The guards and Jaylen need to do a better job getting him the ball, they missed him open countless times yesterday. That’s something Smart was really good about.
 

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Basketball analysis aside, I just read this article in The Athletic and once again the theme (based mostly on quotes from the players themselves) is that the Celtics lose these games largely to to non-basketball reasons (i.e. losing focus, giving up on defense, not playing hard). This is in contrast to the same kind of article on the Mavs-Thunder game, which is characterized as more of a tactical battle in which the Mavs won due to basketball adjustments by both teams. Must be really frustrating for the team to have this keep coming up, Tatum in particular seems to be defensive about it:

“The world thinks we’re never supposed to lose; we’re supposed to win every game by 25,” Tatum said. “And it’s just not going to be like that all the time. So we don’t expect it to be easy. It’s a good team we’re playing. It’s the second round of the playoffs. So it’s just going to be fun the rest of this series, especially come Saturday. We’ve bounced back plenty of times. We lost what, 16 games this year? So I’d like to think that we responded pretty well the few times that we did lose.”
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Basketball analysis aside, I just read this article in The Athletic and once again the theme (based mostly on quotes from the players themselves) is that the Celtics lose these games largely to to non-basketball reasons (i.e. losing focus, giving up on defense, not playing hard). This is in contrast to the same kind of article on the Mavs-Thunder game, which is characterized as more of a tactical battle in which the Mavs won due to basketball adjustments by both teams. Must be really frustrating for the team to have this keep coming up, Tatum in particular seems to be defensive about it:

Sorry if it's paywalled...
I would feel better about Tatum specifically and the Celtics more generally if he accepted some accountability for his team's nth playoff no-show instead of whining.
 

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1 loss & a Marcus Smart call-out for his offensive distribution powers. Didn't have that one on my BINGO card. We certainly could have used young Marcus' defensive intensity for sure.

120 pts to these CAVs is criminal. Of course, shooting variance is going to favor CLE when they are permitted to walk the ball up to the 3pt line, set screens, and initiate from there with zero pressure.

The C's played the exact same D in G2 against the Miami Heat. You could pick out a handful of times Jrue or Jaylen got physical with a ball handler. To win the CHIP the entire team will have to play intense, aggressive, dogged defense for 3/4s of the court on every single possession.

From the very beginning they played garbage D, & let the CAVs get comfortable. It's shocking Joe and the players let this happen in the playoffs again with all the rest they have had. I figured they'd come out after the half (with the way they finished Q2) picking up full court, but nope. CAVs were clearly in rhythm by then and last night's loss was 100% on the Celtics D.

No matter what the NBA Media tells you, the Celtics hold a MASSIVE advantage with roster flexibility & bench. BUT that's useless if the starters don't try to grind the opponent into the ground from the TIP.
 

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1 loss & a Marcus Smart call-out for his offensive distribution powers. Didn't have that one on my BINGO card. We certainly could have used young Marcus' defensive intensity for sure.

120 pts to these CAVs is criminal. Of course, shooting variance is going to favor CLE when they are permitted to walk the ball up to the 3pt line, set screens, and initiate from there with zero pressure.

The C's played the exact same D in G2 against the Miami Heat. You could pick out a handful of times Jrue or Jaylen got physical with a ball handler, BUT to win the CHIP the entire team will have to play intense, aggressive, dogged defense for 3/4s of the court on every single possession.

From the very beginning they played garbage D, & let the CAVs get comfortable. It's shocking Joe and the players let this happen in the playoffs again with all the rest they have had. I figured they'd come out after the half (with the way they finished Q2) picking up full court, but nope. CAVs were clearly in rhythm by then and last night's loss was 100% on the Celtics D.

No matter what the NBA Media tells you, the Celtics hold a MASSIVE advantage with roster flexibility & bench. BUT that's useless if the starters don't try to grind the opponent into the ground from the TIP.
I mostly agree with you, but disagree that they played garbage D from the tip. It was 9-2 and then 14-5 about 4:30 into the game. They were pretty locked in.

After it was 14-5, the Cavs went on a 25-7 run. The D was absolute garbage during that stretch. The Cavs did that in about 6:30 of game time. 25 in 6:30 is horrid.

But then the Celts ripped off a 30-13 run over about 9 minutes of game time. D was tight again! It was 51-43 with 4 minutes to go in the half, pretty similar situation as game 1 which ended 59-49.

And then the Cavs finished the half on an 11-3 run over the last 4 minutes, more horrid D. And the Celts never had a good 2nd half stretch.
 

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For people smarter than myself: if you had to put a number (lets say 1-10 scale) how correlated is defense with offense? The D intensity was lacking last night, which is more of a mental thing...not trying to excuse that. But in general how much easier is to lock in on D after a made shot vs a missed? In a text exchange after the 3rd last night (at that point they were down 12 and were 6/25 from 3), my uncle said if they had just knocked down some of the open 3s the game is tied. I responded that if they had hit 3 or 4 more 3's they are likely up by half a dozen points or so because the D is likely to better after a made shot.
I mean, I know that they are tied together on some level...Im just wondering how tied together? What kind of metrics are out there for this? If this is too much of a sidebar for this specific thread and someone wants to PM that works too!
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I mostly agree with you, but disagree that they played garbage D from the tip. It was 9-2 and then 14-5 about 4:30 into the game. They were pretty locked in.

After it was 14-5, the Cavs went on a 25-7 run. The D was absolute garbage during that stretch. The Cavs did that in about 6:30 of game time. 25 in 6:30 is horrid.

But then the Celts ripped off a 30-13 run over about 9 minutes of game time. D was tight again! It was 51-43 with 4 minutes to go in the half, pretty similar situation as game 1 which ended 59-49.

And then the Cavs finished the half on an 11-3 run over the last 4 minutes, more horrid D. And the Celts never had a good 2nd half stretch.
Seemed like a classic case of starting hot, having it feel easy, then relaxing and letting the other team back in. Sometimes it's hard to turn it back on.
 

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Seemed like a classic case of starting hot, having it feel easy, then relaxing and letting the other team back in. Sometimes it's hard to turn it back on.
But they did turn it back on after they fell behind by 9! And then they turned it off again. Ugh.
 

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Obvious SSS caveat, though the playoffs are all about short samples. They are struggling so badly offensively when Tatum sits, it has to turn around. That, and we need Tatum to hit more of his freaking shots, last night was one of his most efficient games of the playoffs so far, and his TS was 57% lol, that’s less than optimal.

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Don't know if these points have been made elsewhere, so apologies if I should be quoting someone

To my eyes the Cavs made two significant adjustments, one at each end, and both worked out for them

First, they made much more effort to run Boston off the three point line and did not send help defense until after the ball was on the floor and Boston was driving into the paint. Unlike game 1 they didn't aggressively double Tatum when he first got the ball, and instead sent help defenders to the circle. Our guys did what you're supposed to do in those situations, which is drive hard to the front of the rim and either shoot or pass. The adjustment accomplished what I'm assuming the Cavs wanted to accomplish: we took 10 fewer threes in game 2 compared to game 1, and because of the gang at the rim took 3 fewer shots inside the circle. What went up? Those short jumpers from outside the circle but below the free throw line. And free throws.

Put it all together and we took more shots from worse parts of the court, and missed more of them. In game 1 we scored 115 points in 85 possessions. In game 2 we scored 87 points in 84 possessions. A bunch of our misses were on open "good" looks, given what the defense was giving us. But we now need to make adjustments in game 3 to get more of the shots we want.

At the other end the Cavs seemed to observe two things about game 1: (i) we were going to try to stay in single defensive coverage on everyone except Spider, even when someone else created an advantage. If any-non Spider Cav got their hip around their defender Boston wasn't going to rotate anyone, but count on the defender to get back into the play and bother the shot. (ii) Al Horford's physical and athletic decline means that he's no longer a +defender against any of the Cavs big men, in particular Mobley. Put those two things together and a bunch of the Cavs offense involved either (i) Garland or Mobley very aggressively taking their man to the rim confident that help wasn't coming, or (ii) Spider switching until he had Horford as the second pick and roll defender, driving confident he'd end up with a 2:2 situation in the circle, so that once Al committed to the help Mitchell could dump for the easy bucket

You could see the mental processing time that it took the Cavs to see what our defense was doing speed up dramatically from game 1, when admittedly they sometimes could look at little sedated. Which might how their brains felt.

Playoff basketball is a game of adjustments. We all knew Cleveland was coming into game 1 in the emotional after-shocks of a big game 7, and that they'd be better in game 2. Well, neither their coaches nor their players are interested in gifting us this series. They know what they're doing, too.

And I haven't banged on about it so much since the first half of the season, but Al Horford is really old and isn't the defender/rebounder we all fondly remember from 6-7 years ago


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Edit: Two things to feel good about, about game 2: Even when we're having a crappy game we still don't turn the ball over. Which is underappreciated and awesome. Second, we drew a shit ton of free throws. Those are two really good building blocks for a better game 3.
 
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Defensive rebounding was either bad, or unlucky - it's often hard to tell with rebounding, IMO, but that seems to be quite a factor.

The C's were absolutely atrocious from 3. I think some of that was poor selection - but some of it was not. They make a more normal percentage of their threes and the game is much, much closer.
 

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Maybe looking ahead too soon, but I am becoming deeply concerned they get worked by a Minnesota or OKC. I was ok with calling Game 2 against Miami an aberration due to historically good shooting even if the effort didn't look great, but after last night I think it's clear that these Brown and Tatum led teams still have legitimate issues with consistent energy and effort in playoff games and it could be a self-inflicted and totally unnecessary fatal flaw against a West team that is going to be leaps and bounds better than whoever they'll have faced in the East. It's also clear at this point that they have no home court advantage. Thankfully they're a good road team, but the sample size at home keeps growing and it's not good.

It's getting frustrating being a fan of these Celtics teams. They're like the polar opposite of the overachieving Stevens teams in the late 2010s that you knew didn't have the horses but were an absolute joy to root for. These guys are the most talented team in the dance but you still never know from game to game whether or not they'll show up and it's maddening.