(2) New York Knicks vs (6) Indiana Pacers - 2024 EC Second Round

[Murderer's Crow]

If the Celts get to the ECF with the Knicks.. I suspect they're going to run the crap out of them. Also, will be interesting to see how they play Brunson.. because I just don't think the rest of the Knicks are good enough to beat the Celts or even Indiana really.

I'm not trying to call you out specifically, but there's been like 645 versions of this post across basically every NBA thread. If you think something, spend time on that thought. If you just want to say something that's been said a billion times, including by the knicks fans here, maybe do it for some specific reason?

The casual Knicks watchers here, who have what seems liek 5 games of experience watching this team have basically said celtics are better, brunson is the only good player, the minutes will catch up to the knicks, they're not deep enough, their quality of basketball isn't good....It's kind of becoming a circlejerk of the same comments over and over.

 

[lovegtm]

Zarba seems very fair to New York so far

 

[Cellar-Door]

Knicks are getting a very nice whistle

 

[Jakarta]

Knicks look gassed already.

 

[Murderer's Crow]

Knicks passing has been garbage. Give some credit to the pacers defense but they're forcing a lot of bad shots right now.

 

[dhellers]

Is TJ actually keeping Brunson human, or is it SSS?

 

[Imbricus]

This feels like a seven-game series.

 

[lovegtm]

Knicks are getting a very nice whistle

But I had it on good authority that they were 3-6 in Zach Zarba games!!!

 

[Murderer's Crow]

Is TJ actually keeping Brunson human, or is it SSS?

It's 2 quarters. I wouldn't draw anything from anything.

 

[Sprowl]

Plenty of drama in this game. I'm rooting for the series to go seven games with multiple quadruple overtimes.

 

[nattysez]

3-10 from OG and 2-7 from Dante isn't going to cut it, and McBride showing up would be helpful.

 

[BigSoxFan]

Zero talk about Hartenstein drilling a half court shot?!

 

[Murderer's Crow]

3-10 from OG and 2-7 from Dante isn't going to cut it, and McBride showing up would be helpful.

Dante really has to figure something out for the Knicks to have a chance at an extended playoffs beyond this round. He's been a 40%+ threat all season and has been pretty much stopped in the playoffs other than some moments here and there. OG missing a couple of stupid ass layups doesn't help his numbers there.

 

[PedroKsBambino]

Does Chris Hayes doing this game mean we are free of him for Celtics series (hopes)?

 

[DeJesus Built My Hotrod]

Josh Hart gets powered up by playing more high leverage minutes.

 

[JakeRae]

Thibs is running his team into the ground. If Indy can compete while using its bench (Philly couldn’t) that could kill the Knicks late in games and as the series stretches out.

 

[chilidawg]

Hart is a force in transition.

 

[DeJesus Built My Hotrod]

Thibs will still have Josh Hart out there in the middle of August.

 

[Remagellan]

I do not expect them to go all the way, but if the Knicks do with all their starters playing as many minutes as they have been, the league might have to rethink load management.

 

[Cellar-Door]

I do not expect them to go all the way, but if the Knicks do with all their starters playing as many minutes as they have been, the league might have to rethink load management.

Not really, not any more than any other outlier run. Nobody went into this year and said... look at Miami... the solution is clearly to get scrubs to shoot twice their usual 3pt rate... BRILLIANT.

The idea that the Knicks are some testament to the value of not resting guys is silly.,,, especially given one of their best players is out for the year due to injury and their 2nd best player who they acquired via trade missed like 60% of his games.

 

[DeJesus Built My Hotrod]

Brunson with an unstoppable one on two and gets a layup.

 

[Murderer's Crow]

Not really, not any more than any other outlier run. Nobody went into this year and said... look at Miami... the solution is clearly to get scrubs to shoot twice their usual 3pt rate... BRILLIANT.

The idea that the Knicks are some testament to the value of not resting guys is silly.,,, especially given one of their best players is out for the year due to injury and their 2nd best player who they acquired via trade missed like 60% of his games.

If you're gonna make this point, don't be disingenuous, because it's just not necessary. Randle fell and dislocated his shoulder, it's not like he got tired and pulled a hamstring. The "second player" that you're referencing, Bogdanovich, averaged like 10 minutes a game.

 

[jarules1185]

Bogdanovic also got his foot tangled up with Batum diving for a loose ball in kind of a mostly unlucky contact play, 1 minute into his first floor time in that game. It wasn't a fatigue injury, anyway

 

[PedroKsBambino]

It's literally like they make it up as they go on replays

 

[Cellar-Door]

If you're gonna make this point, don't be disingenuous, because it's just not necessary. Randle fell and dislocated his shoulder, it's not like he got tired and pulled a hamstring. The "second player" that you're referencing, Bogdanovich, averaged like 10 minutes a game.

I was referring to OG who missed most of the 2nd half of the regular season but happens to be back.

The point wasn't they got hurt due to load management or not, it was that nobody is looking at this Knicks run and saying "wow this team is so fit and healthy due to not doing load management, I should definitely take that as a lesson instead of the years of actual data showing the opposite."

 

[thebutlerdidit]

That is an insane overturn

 

[DeJesus Built My Hotrod]

If you're gonna make this point, don't be disingenuous, because it's just not necessary. Randle fell and dislocated his shoulder, it's not like he got tired and pulled a hamstring. The "second player" that you're referencing, Bogdanovich, averaged like 10 minutes a game.

You would probably defend Thibs if he was whipping an emaciated carriage horse down fifth avenue.

Save Josh Hart's lower extremities!

 

[bankshot1]

That was a foul. That has alway's been a foul. This is crazy

 

[DeJesus Built My Hotrod]

This game (and hopefully series) is good stuff.

 

[Cellar-Door]

This is one of those games someone is going to use a whole lot of clips of in a thread about how the NBA rigs games via officating

 

[slamminsammya]

this is enjoyable to watch. the pacers really seem intent on tiring out these guys

 

[Murderer's Crow]

You would probably defend Thibs if he was whipping an emaciated carriage horse down fifth avenue.

Save Josh Hart's lower extremities!

It's not that I'm defending Thibs as much as the starters may or may not run out of gas but they ARE conditioned to 42+ minutes per game at this point. They can keep the tempo up when their opponents get tired. It is what it is. I don't think it's sustainable forever, but it's not like they're suddenly going to stop being able to play a full game.

 

[DeJesus Built My Hotrod]

It's not that I'm defending Thibs as much as the starters may or may not run out of gas but they ARE conditioned to 42+ minutes per game at this point. They can keep the tempo up when their opponents get tired. It is what it is. I don't think it's sustainable forever, but it's not like they're suddenly going to stop being able to play a full game.

I'm just having fun. I actually don't worry as much about player minutes as some here. These are monsters in their 20s and as you note Thibs conditions his players for this pace.

TJ McConnell can take advantage of opposition playing heavy minutes tho...

 

[Cellar-Door]

Pacers have started dictating the pace/style of this game, running up and down trading buckets is exactly how they want/need to play.

 

[DeadlySplitter]

Both teams mismanaged the clock there.

 

[slamminsammya]

that was such a disrespectful and unnecessarily risky dunk by toppin i loved it

 

[Caspir]

What a fun end of quarter. Indy plays so fast. That dunk by Toppin was wonderful.

 

[MyDaughterLovesTomGordon]

Through the legs dunk in a playoff game is ... something.

I don't know if Knicks can score with the Pacers, but they're doing their damnedest. This game is great.

 

[nattysez]

Obi Toppin with the in-game through-the-legs dunk is pretty impressive.

 

[chilidawg]

Fun game. I'll never understand running down the shot clock when there's 15 seconds left between the shot and game clocks.

 

[DeJesus Built My Hotrod]

These games are so close that a made heave like that can make all the difference

 

[thebutlerdidit]

Toppin revenge dunk - this game is really fun

 

[lovegtm]

Feels like the intensity is picking up now. The two teams aren't great, but there's going to be a fun series here.

 

[lovegtm]

These games are so close that a made heave like that can make all the difference

Two in the same game!

 

[wade boggs chicken dinner]

Can PP become, or surpass, TJ Mcconnell?

No, unless PP learns to finish like McConnell. McConnell is an elite finisher, particularly in the paint and particularly at his size (see, e.g., https://www.reddit.com/r/NBATalk/comments/1bvkbr5/who_is_the_most_underrated_player_on_your/ - I've not verified the stats but it tracks with what I've read before). Other than being short and white, they really are two different players.

 

[slamminsammya]

hart: this is a style… pauses to catch breath … that were comfortable

 

[slamminsammya]

No, unless PP learns to finish like McConnell. McConnell is an elite finisher, particularly in the paint and particularly at his size (see, e.g., https://www.reddit.com/r/NBATalk/comments/1bvkbr5/who_is_the_most_underrated_player_on_your/ - I've not verified the stats but it tracks with what I've read before). Other than being short and white, they really are two different players.

mcconnell also a big steals guy

 

[nattysez]

Hit a fucking layup, OG.

 

[DeJesus Built My Hotrod]

Mitchy One Leg

 

[Don Buddin's GS]

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