Celtics vs Da Culture - Round 1 (FIGHT!)

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One thing this Celtics team has in common with last year's team--if they put in real effort on defense, they're pretty hard to beat. One game where they didn't work so they lose, four games where the defensive effort was consistent that were all comfortable wins. Great series.
 

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He was awesome but idk. Tatum played three of these games so within himself and what the Heat were loaded up to give him and he didn’t take the bait and made the right play. He was the engine offensively while playing great defense. We haven’t always seen this from him though we have seen it. But in this series we saw it a lot. By being unselfish and making others around him better, this team becomes borderline unstoppable.
 

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There will be games ofc in May where he’ll need to be Tatum v the 76ers last year great but wasn’t necessary this round so he did his best to win the series by elevating the games around him (outside game 2).
 

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One thing this Celtics team has in common with last year's team--if they put in real effort on defense, they're pretty hard to beat. One game where they didn't work so they lose, four games where the defensive effort was consistent that were all comfortable wins. Great series.
Last year’s team had a hobbled RW and Smart and no PP and Hauser playing to the level they’re at now. Totally different. Doesn’t mean they can get to the promised land without KP but they should clear the East unlike last year even if barely (bc of no KP).
 

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Jrue is just a noticeably better defender on the perimeter than smart was last year and White is several percent better as a player than he was last year.
 

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Jrue is better than Smart of getting over screens and contesting from behind if necessary. It’s something I used to post on here about my frustrations with smart. Smart was more all or nothing. Jrue is more I’m right there on your hip, you feel me? It can appear more subtle but is very effective bc he’s so consistent at doing it
 

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Last year’s team had a hobbled RW and Smart and no PP and Hauser playing to the level they’re at now. Totally different. Doesn’t mean they can get to the promised land without KP but they should clear the East unlike last year even if barely (bc of no KP).
Completely different team, agreed. Just noting that defensive effort is a difference-maker for both teams. It was crystal clear in this series, where they only dropped the game that they mailed it in. First three games of last year's ECF, Miami put up mad points. Then the D buckled down, and they didn't in the next three. Only in game seven with everyone half-dead did Miami win a game against defensive effort. This year's team is strong enough, smart enough, and focused enough to keep the gas pedal down and bulldoze this in five.
 

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Tatum played 32 minutes (second to Holiday with 34) including the first 18 to 20 before he subbed out. But attempted only 9 shots as White exploded again. Perfect example of playing within himself and being part of a defense that just shut the Heat off in 3 straight after game 2.
 

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The heat, with the culture etc, , kinda gave up early tonight. Funny how culure, intangibles don't matter when you don't have guys out there that can make shots.
I was actually shocked to see this. When the lead ballooned to 30 in the first half, the Heat immediately cut it to 19. I figured they just wouldn't ever really go away - that similar to the other games, they might lose by 20, but not 30+. Did not happen last night. The Celtics broke them.
 

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I was actually shocked to see this. When the lead ballooned to 30 in the first half, the Heat immediately cut it to 19. I figured they just wouldn't ever really go away - that similar to the other games, they might lose by 20, but not 30+. Did not happen last night. The Celtics broke them.
Once the Celtics responded to Miami's slowing the game down, the Heat literally had zero answers other than start hoping impossible shots start going in. The gulf in talent between these two teams really is huge with Butler out.

At the outset, 5 games seemed like a reasonable expectation, given that it seemed likely that Miami would win a game at home with some shot luck and coaching adjustments. That game happened in Boston instead, but had no real impact on the series outcome, other than to convince the Celtics to be relentless on defense.
 

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Once the Celtics responded to Miami's slowing the game down, the Heat literally had zero answers other than start hoping impossible shots start going in. The gulf in talent between these two teams really is huge with Butler out.

At the outset, 5 games seemed like a reasonable expectation, given that it seemed likely that Miami would win a game at home with some shot luck and coaching adjustments. That game happened in Boston instead, but had no real impact on the series outcome, other than to convince the Celtics to be relentless on defense.
I made this point to my brother in law after game 2. That we'll see how the series plays out, but if the Celts end it in 5 going away, we won't care looking back whether the game was in Boston or Miami. It will be a footnote on their path to the title. We might not even remember it to be honest. At least not the same way we remember that the 2008 team lost their first 6 road playoff games.
 

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I made this point to my brother in law after game 2. That we'll see how the series plays out, but if the Celts end it in 5 going away, we won't care looking back whether the game was in Boston or Miami. It will be a footnote on their path to the title. We might not even remember it to be honest. At least not the same way we remember that the 2008 team lost their first 6 road playoff games.
That 2008 Hawks team wasn't as bad as their 37-45 record indicated, with some young players that would form the core of a roster that soon became a difficult playoff team in the Eastern Conference. Probably a better roster than Miami's sans Butler and Rozier. And then the Celtics next 3 road losses came against team with a generational talent earning his #23.
 

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I love Tillman, but Kornet solves some rim protection and rebounding issues for us that only a super tall guy can do. Tillman should get some minutes to spell Luke. The offense has enough firepower not to care which guy helps the offense more.
Who had "Kornet would be the most effective Bam defender of the night" on their bingo card?
 

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Once the Celtics responded to Miami's slowing the game down, the Heat literally had zero answers other than start hoping impossible shots start going in. The gulf in talent between these two teams really is huge with Butler out.

At the outset, 5 games seemed like a reasonable expectation, given that it seemed likely that Miami would win a game at home with some shot luck and coaching adjustments. That game happened in Boston instead, but had no real impact on the series outcome, other than to convince the Celtics to be relentless on defense.
They really missed Jaquez last night too.
 

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That 2008 Hawks team wasn't as bad as their 37-45 record indicated, with some young players that would form the core of a roster that soon became a difficult playoff team in the Eastern Conference. Probably a better roster than Miami's sans Butler and Rozier. And then the Celtics next 3 road losses came against team with a generational talent earning his #23.
All fair but that Celts team went 66-16 then lost 6 in a row on the road. That was crazy town.

Edit: 31-10 regular season, 3-9 postseason.
 

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I made this point to my brother in law after game 2. That we'll see how the series plays out, but if the Celts end it in 5 going away, we won't care looking back whether the game was in Boston or Miami. It will be a footnote on their path to the title. We might not even remember it to be honest. At least not the same way we remember that the 2008 team lost their first 6 road playoff games.
Yeah but it deprives us of a Moses Malone "Fo Fo Fo Fo" bid. :)

There's always next year!
 

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I was actually shocked to see this. When the lead ballooned to 30 in the first half, the Heat immediately cut it to 19. I figured they just wouldn't ever really go away - that similar to the other games, they might lose by 20, but not 30+. Did not happen last night. The Celtics broke them.
When it got up over 30 after 3 minutes of the second half, that was it. They weren't going to get it down to a reasonable number a second time (15-19 range) and still have something left in the tank to make a closing run.
Plus, if they kept doing what they did in the first half, a bunch of them would have fouled out.
If the Celts weren't having a crummy (by NBA and even NCAA standards) night from the foul line (18-27), the lead would have been considerably more.
 

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All fair but that Celts team went 66-16 then lost 6 in a row on the road. That was crazy town.

Edit: 31-10 regular season, 3-9 postseason.
Celtics are 16-7 on the road in playoffs since 2022. That’s a 57 win pace on road against playoff teams. If only they can replicate that at home.
 

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Celtics are 16-7 on the road in playoffs since 2022. That’s a 57 win pace on road against playoff teams. If only they can replicate that at home.
Right, to be clear the recent Celtics have had relatively more problems at home than the road. They've been road killers.
 

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Some stats from the series:
Bam averaged 22.6 on 19.4 FGA for the series. Under 50% from the field. Damn good work by the C's
Caleb Martin had a decent series, shooting 11-25 from 3, but was a non-factor in games 1, 3, and 5 (2-11 from 3 combined) vs 5-6 in game 2 and 4-8 in game 4
Herro overall had a decent series with 20.8 ppg on 17.5 FGA and 39.6% from 3, but shot 33.3% from 3 or worse in 4 of the 5 games (9-32 in games 1, 3-5 combined, 28.1%). He also had fewer assists combined in games 1, 3-5 (13) vs game 2 alone
Duncan Robinson was a COMPLETE non-factor, with 2.6 ppg on 23.1% 3 point shooting. Ouch.
DWhite with a tidy 22.4 ppg on 14.2 FGA and 47.7% from 3
Nothing stands out stat-wise for JT, but as noted in the other thread, he was the key to everything
 

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I found it very encouraging for the remainder of the playoffs that last night after the Spyro Bros finished their show, Jalen came out and immediately went to the free throw line, practiced those shots for awhile, then put his two free throws in a couple minutes into the third, even though they had a huge lead. A lot of attention to detail from these guys.
 

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Some stats from the series:
Bam averaged 22.6 on 19.4 FGA for the series. Under 50% from the field. Damn good work by the C's
Caleb Martin had a decent series, shooting 11-25 from 3, but was a non-factor in games 1, 3, and 5 (2-11 from 3 combined) vs 5-6 in game 2 and 4-8 in game 4
Herro overall had a decent series with 20.8 ppg on 17.5 FGA and 39.6% from 3, but shot 33.3% from 3 or worse in 4 of the 5 games (9-32 in games 1, 3-5 combined, 28.1%). He also had fewer assists combined in games 1, 3-5 (13) vs game 2 alone
Duncan Robinson was a COMPLETE non-factor, with 2.6 ppg on 23.1% 3 point shooting. Ouch.
DWhite with a tidy 22.4 ppg on 14.2 FGA and 47.7% from 3
Nothing stands out stat-wise for JT, but as noted in the other thread, he was the key to everything
Not to harp on Herro, who was one of only two guys who were offensive factors at all for Miami, but 20.8 on 17.5 and giving back most of those points on the other end being bullied like a 7th grader was not super impressive. I don't think that anyone was for them.
 

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Kornet was very effective on the boards. It obviously helps to be a lot taller and have longer arms than the players you are up against when it comes to getting rebounds.
 

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Not to harp on Herro, who was one of only two guys who were offensive factors at all for Miami, but 20.8 on 17.5 and giving back most of those points on the other end being bullied like a 7th grader was not super impressive. I don't think that anyone was for them.
He just thinks he’s a lot better than he is.. and his ‘on paper’ comment may have re-focused a Cs team even more after the game 2 loss.
 

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Not to harp on Herro, who was one of only two guys who were offensive factors at all for Miami, but 20.8 on 17.5 and giving back most of those points on the other end being bullied like a 7th grader was not super impressive. I don't think that anyone was for them.
The best thing about Herro is that he was great, great practice for Mitchell and Garland. The Cs got to really dial in the details of their drop schemes against a good off-the-dribble shooter.
 

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we won't care looking back whether the game was in Boston or Miami. It will be a footnote on their path to the title. We might not even remember it to be honest.
We'll remember that the game was in BOS only because Mike got a standing O at the end.

We should lean into the idea that BOS lost G2 so Mike's last game could be at home. :)
 

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God am I glad that my nightmare after game 2 of the story of Cs/Heat 20-23 didn't play out again. I've admittedly lost the capacity to talk about the Heat with any bit of rationality.
I was sitting at the bar last night after a round of golf, and one of the young guys sitting near me said "I've never seen so many people so nervous with a 30 point lead."

I just looked at him and muttered "fucking kids." It's amazing how young adults and teenagers like my son just have no idea what it's like to get your heart ripped out year after year. They're starting to feel it, but when they've been to a bunch of championship parades and are still on their parents insurance, they really just don't understand.
 

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I was sitting at the bar last night after a round of golf, and one of the young guys sitting near me said "I've never seen so many people so nervous with a 30 point lead."

I just looked at him and muttered "fucking kids." It's amazing how young adults and teenagers like my son just have no idea what it's like to get your heart ripped out year after year. They're starting to feel it, but when they've been to a bunch of championship parades and are still on their parents insurance, they really just don't understand.
Why would they? Their whole lives have been Boston teams winning championships for the most part… it’s more of a surprise when they get their and don’t win.
 

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I was sitting at the bar last night after a round of golf, and one of the young guys sitting near me said "I've never seen so many people so nervous with a 30 point lead."

I just looked at him and muttered "fucking kids." It's amazing how young adults and teenagers like my son just have no idea what it's like to get your heart ripped out year after year. They're starting to feel it, but when they've been to a bunch of championship parades and are still on their parents insurance, they really just don't understand.
You mean losing a clinching title game with a 2 run lead in the bottom of the 10th with 2 outs and 2 strikes?

Man, I was nervous for at least 10 seconds after Doug Mientkiewicz stepped on the bag, convinced that something would yet happen to extend the game/series/misery. So, yes, the nervousness of the home team playing with a big lead is literally ingrained to those fans on the wrong side of 40.
 

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Some stats from the series:
Bam averaged 22.6 on 19.4 FGA for the series. Under 50% from the field. Damn good work by the C's
Caleb Martin had a decent series, shooting 11-25 from 3, but was a non-factor in games 1, 3, and 5 (2-11 from 3 combined) vs 5-6 in game 2 and 4-8 in game 4
Herro overall had a decent series with 20.8 ppg on 17.5 FGA and 39.6% from 3, but shot 33.3% from 3 or worse in 4 of the 5 games (9-32 in games 1, 3-5 combined, 28.1%). He also had fewer assists combined in games 1, 3-5 (13) vs game 2 alone
Duncan Robinson was a COMPLETE non-factor, with 2.6 ppg on 23.1% 3 point shooting. Ouch.
DWhite with a tidy 22.4 ppg on 14.2 FGA and 47.7% from 3
Nothing stands out stat-wise for JT, but as noted in the other thread, he was the key to everything
How about this one:
In the four Celtics wins, the Heat scored more than 24 points in 3 quarters (1 in each of Games 1, 3, 4 and none last night), and only scored 30 or more in one quarter (the 4th in G1).
 

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You mean losing a clinching title game with a 2 run lead in the bottom of the 10th with 2 outs and 2 strikes?

Man, I was nervous for at least 10 seconds after Doug Mientkiewicz stepped on the bag, convinced that something would yet happen to extend the game/series/misery. So, yes, the nervousness of the home team playing with a big lead is literally ingrained to those fans on the wrong side of 40.
Yes, I mean like that. Shit, my son, who is now 16, wasn't even alive when the Pats perfect season ended against the Giants. We are getting so fucking old.

I told the guy next to me, I wouldn't count out the Heat until they were literally on the fucking plane flying back to Miami.
 

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I was sitting at the bar last night after a round of golf, and one of the young guys sitting near me said "I've never seen so many people so nervous with a 30 point lead."

I just looked at him and muttered "fucking kids." It's amazing how young adults and teenagers like my son just have no idea what it's like to get your heart ripped out year after year. They're starting to feel it, but when they've been to a bunch of championship parades and are still on their parents insurance, they really just don't understand.
I think the 2020 series, where the Celtics blew all those big 4th quarter leads, permanently scarred the fanbase wrt Miami.

Finally busted that hex.
 

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Man, I was nervous for at least 10 seconds after Doug Mientkiewicz stepped on the bag, convinced that something would yet happen to extend the game/series/misery. So, yes, the nervousness of the home team playing with a big lead is literally ingrained to those fans on the wrong side of 40.
I can't say I was nervous AFTER he stepped on the bag, but when the ball was off the bat, immediate reaction was "uh oh cue shot this is going to take a weird bounce"
 

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The best thing about Herro is that he was great, great practice for Mitchell and Garland. The Cs got to really dial in the details of their drop schemes against a good off-the-dribble shooter.
I wouldn't be too sure that Cleveland will be the matchup here. That Orlando team is dangerous and could very will win the next two.
 

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I wouldn't be too sure that Cleveland will be the matchup here. That Orlando team is dangerous and could very will win the next two.
Yes. I meant "if they play Cleveland."

Orlando is incredibly un-dynamic off the dribble, so it would just be a straight slugfest.
 

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GOAT quote from the GOAT

You mean losing a clinching title game with a 2 run lead in the bottom of the 10th with 2 outs and 2 strikes?

Man, I was nervous for at least 10 seconds after Doug Mientkiewicz stepped on the bag, convinced that something would yet happen to extend the game/series/misery. So, yes, the nervousness of the home team playing with a big lead is literally ingrained to those fans on the wrong side of 40.
It never friggin happened...
 

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Yes. I meant "if they play Cleveland."

Orlando is incredibly un-dynamic off the dribble, so it would just be a straight slugfest.
I initially read that as sludgefest which seems like it could also be a possibility.
 

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I can't say I was nervous AFTER he stepped on the bag, but when the ball was off the bat, immediate reaction was "uh oh cue shot this is going to take a weird bounce"
And please don’t go Matt Young on us and throw the ball into the 3rd row!
 

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I was sitting at the bar last night after a round of golf, and one of the young guys sitting near me said "I've never seen so many people so nervous with a 30 point lead."

I just looked at him and muttered "fucking kids." It's amazing how young adults and teenagers like my son just have no idea what it's like to get your heart ripped out year after year. They're starting to feel it, but when they've been to a bunch of championship parades and are still on their parents insurance, they really just don't understand.
I got nervous any time the lead dipped below 30 in the second half. I recognized and acknowledged that that was irrational, but people our age have a lot of scars.
 

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The whiny Spoelstra has stated he has no intention of watching any more Celtics games this season. lol!!
 

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He said it near the start of the post game press conference. I sort of took it to mean he won't be watching the playoffs, but I'm not sure I buy any of it.

Edit: I suppose another interpretation is he doesn't appreciate the aesthetic value of their game, which I understand to a degree. That potential interpretation would scare the shit out of me as a Heat fan, though.