Rank these organizations in terms of how corrupt they are: NCAA, NFL, IOC, FIFA
Not an easy exercise.
Not an easy exercise.
I think it is. FIFA and the IOC have it down to an art form. The NFL isn't even close.Rank these organizations in terms of how corrupt they are: NCAA, NFL, IOC, FIFA
Not an easy exercise.
To defend Bill Nye the Science Guy (a very important thing to do!), his comments were based on Mort's false Tweet that the footballs were over 2 PSI below league regulations. Nye would have been right in that case. Of course, the numbers were actually around 1.2-1.3 PSI below league allowance, which is precisely where they should have been.Hell, Bill Nye the Science Guy (and Seahawks fan) messed up the IGL as well in the wake of the "scandal."
Rooting preferences trump actual science even from the self-proclaimed experts.
Of the crime science proves never happened, of course. Again, also ignoring the context that these men DID deflate footballs (legally) as part of their job.https://985thesportshub.com/2022/02/07/new-deflategate-report-confirms-what-people-with-brains-already-assumed/
“Doesn’t mean nothing happened. The text messages between the seemingly witness-protected John Jastremski and Jim McNally were a smoking gun. But while those were damning, that wouldn’t have been early enough to prove Brady’s guilt beyond all doubt.”
Smoking gun? Of WHAT!?
I would also go with IOC and FIFA. UCI is probably close.Rank these organizations in terms of how corrupt they are: NCAA, NFL, IOC, FIFA
Not an easy exercise.
Maybe we should look at what Bill Nye actually said.To defend Bill Nye the Science Guy (a very important thing to do!), his comments were based on Mort's false Tweet that the footballs were over 2 PSI below league regulations. Nye would have been right in that case. Of course, the numbers were actually around 1.2-1.3 PSI below league allowance, which is precisely where they should have been.
The league knew Mort's numbers were wrong all the way until the Well Report was released and not only never once corrected them but instead actively instructed the Patriots not to correct them.To defend Bill Nye the Science Guy (a very important thing to do!), his comments were based on Mort's false Tweet that the footballs were over 2 PSI below league regulations. Nye would have been right in that case. Of course, the numbers were actually around 1.2-1.3 PSI below league allowance, which is precisely where they should have been.
But this does bring up an important point: The league knew Mort's numbers were wrong all the way until the Well Report was released and never once corrected them. That tells you all you need to know.
Of the crime science proves never happened, of course. Again, also ignoring the context that these men DID deflate footballs (legally) as part of their job.
That’s correct. They ordered the Pats to keep quiet about that. I mean think about that.The league knew Mort's numbers were wrong all the way until the Well Report was released and not only never once corrected them but instead actively instructed the Patriots not to correct them.
Ya but ‘My boy’s wicked smaht.’They were better off having Matt Damon explain it rather than Nye, they're both just entertainers.
Maybe time for the Krafts to petition the league to reinstate a first and fourth round draft pick?I’ve mostly forgotten who were the white hats, and who were the black hats at the time. But fit Wetzel for a big white one now. Preach, Dan.
https://sports.yahoo.com/as-new-deflategate-details-emerge-this-remains-the-same-nfl-owes-tom-brady-an-apology-221153589.html
Or in 2019.That lost pick could have come in handy during SB52. Just sayin’.
He talks about giving back their pickHonestly the pressure should be brought to bear against the NFL. Goodell talked incessantly about the “integrity of the game” when they’ve been exposed now as having done everything to undermine the very idea of integrity.
Wetzel says he should apologize to Brady. How about apologizing to the Patriots and giving back their lost picks? Because those losses had a tangible impact on the organization.
Wetzel skipped the second draft pick lost, a 4th-rounder.That lost pick could have come in handy during SB52. Just sayin’.
Didn't they also have to pay the second highest fine in league history (at the time)? Kraft should sue to get the money back as well.Wetzel skipped the second draft pick lost, a 4th-rounder.
Nye has done a number of AMA sessions on Reddit. The best part of those is seeing him ignore all of the top voted questions from Pats fans related to his stance on DFG.They were better off having Matt Damon explain it rather than Nye, they're both just entertainers.
It’s never been totally clear to me what the deal was with those texts and what they were actually discussing. To me, the texts are the one piece that I keep hearing people harp on when the subject comes up – this article, Florio last week. I specifically remember Shaughnessy on the radio guffawing at the notion that “the Deflator” referred to Jimmy McNally’s weigh loss (argued on the In Context webpage I believe). It also doesn’t really help that McNally and Jastremski both were effectively disappeared.https://985thesportshub.com/2022/02/07/new-deflategate-report-confirms-what-people-with-brains-already-assumed/
“Doesn’t mean nothing happened. The text messages between the seemingly witness-protected John Jastremski and Jim McNally were a smoking gun. But while those were damning, that wouldn’t have been early enough to prove Brady’s guilt beyond all doubt.”
Smoking gun? Of WHAT!?
I suspect they refer to the Jets game, where the refs over-inflated the balls and "they were like fuckin rocks," per McNally. Details are a little fuzzy but I think the Dorito Dinks measured those balls and they were 16.0 PSI and Brady hated that. So I suspect these two jamokes would check the balls to see if they were over-inflated and take a little out of them at halftime if so.It’s never been totally clear to me what the deal was with those texts and what they were actually discussing. To me, the texts are the one piece that I keep hearing people harp on when the subject comes up – this article, Florio last week. I specifically remember Shaughnessy on the radio guffawing at the notion that “the Deflator” referred to Jimmy McNally’s weigh loss (argued on the In Context webpage I believe). It also doesn’t really help that McNally and Jastremski both were effectively disappeared.
Can someone share a definitive answer or interpretation on what the texts actually meant?
Brady didn't claim that, he said he didn't know the guy's name and called him....."Bird," I think.I always thought the exchange that got them in the most trouble were the texts about how they got fucked by the refs who overinflated the balls in the locker room, and how Brady was pissed at them over it. And how they were going to deliberately over inflate the balls just to get back at Brady for giving them a hard time:
https://www.wcvb.com/article/patriots-employees-traded-texts-about-deflated-footballs-1/8224926#
https://time.com/3849688/deflategate-text-messages-patriots-tom-brady/
IIRC, Brady also claimed he did not know who one of them was (cannot recall if it was McNally or Jastremski), a claim I found hard to believe and really did not help Brady's case. Still, the idea that these texts were evidence of ball tampering is laughable.
No. Because it was a bunch of out of context nonsense that only seemed like evidence if someone started with the assumption they were guilty. If you don't start with that assumption, they're just a couple of dinks.Can someone share a definitive answer or interpretation on what the texts actually meant?
This.No. Because it was a bunch of out of context nonsense that only seemed like evidence if someone started with the assumption they were guilty. If you don't start with that assumption, they're just a couple of dinks.
And Tedy Bruschi stated the same live on ESPN. Bruschi knew McNally only as "Bird".Brady didn't claim that, he said he didn't know the guy's name and called him....."Bird," I think.
The NFL's case in court literally boiled down to "The CBA says we can do anything we want, whether it's warranted or not."This.
If someone believed that any one of us was guilty of some wrongdoing, and went through our texts, they could probably find something that *appears* to justify that belief.
Out of a gazillion texts, there was just a couple that even kinda sorta semi hinted at anything remotely related to deflating footballs.
Remember, the original suspension was because Brady “more likely than not knew about a scheme to deflate footballs”. I mean..... what the hell?
Right that’s what it became once Brady challenged it. And yes you’re right about what it says about the NFL. But originally the suspended him for what they claimed was a reasonable likelihood that he possessed knowledge about something that OTHERS in the organization were doing. Because they couldn’t even justify claiming that Brady himself was behind it all. Just that he was likely *aware* of it.The NFL's case in court literally boiled down to "The CBA says we can do anything we want, whether it's warranted or not."
That's the argument of a league that knows it's full of shit.
I hope this is correct but am skeptical. Deflategate was worldwide news, fodder for jokes on late night TV and social media. This revelation has garnered effectively a few mutterings on the internet and a few websites. Compare the length of the original Delategate thread (hundreds and hundreds of pages, right?) to this one (page 4, as I see it).I'm still convinced that in the long run this will only add to Brady and Pats' legacy.
That running back from Alabama was available at pick 29, Derrick something?That lost pick could have come in handy during SB52. Just sayin’.
And Goodell felt that Belichick did not apologize deeply enough for Spygate or some such nonsense.Keep in mind: Roger Goodell and Mike Kensil (28 years) are former employees of the New York Jets. Kensil in particular was deeply involved in that organization and was there when Belichick told them to get stuffed when Parcells tried to withhold the Pats' job offer to him.
This was always a movie about revenge for imagined slights.
I don't know for a fact but it would be absolutely shocking if the league didn't have a very good idea of what was in the report before it was released. If I recall there was even evidence in the arbitration that the league's GC edited the report.And Goodell felt that Belichick did not apologize deeply enough for Spygate or some such nonsense.
I always wondered what the reaction around the league office was when the Wells report went out of its way to exonerate Belichick and to praise him for his cooperation during the investigation. It essentially tied Goodell's hands to some extent, as it's almost certain he wanted to hand down a lengthy suspension.
Pash did indeed edit the Wells report, pretty sure that's been admitted to by all sides.I don't know for a fact but it would be absolutely shocking if the league didn't have a very good idea of what was in the report before it was released. If I recall there was even evidence in the arbitration that the league's GC edited the report.
I don't dispute that. It would not surprise me that they did ask Wells and team if they were absolutely sure they could not find anything on Bill. And Goodell and Kensil probably tipped the water cooler when they got the answer, before realizing that nailing Brady and getting the picks will still allow them to claim victory.I don't know for a fact but it would be absolutely shocking if the league didn't have a very good idea of what was in the report before it was released. If I recall there was even evidence in the arbitration that the league's GC edited the report.
Pash editing the wells report is a sure sign that the NFL was interested in conducting an independent investigation.Pash did indeed edit the Wells report, pretty sure that's been admitted to by all sides.
Ohhh here we go using those pesky definitive words. I believe Brady was suspended because he "more likely than not was generally aware of a scheme to deflate footballs".This.
If someone believed that any one of us was guilty of some wrongdoing, and went through our texts, they could probably find something that *appears* to justify that belief.
Out of a gazillion texts, there was just a couple that even kinda sorta semi hinted at anything remotely related to deflating footballs.
Remember, the original suspension was because Brady “more likely than not knew about a scheme to deflate footballs”. I mean..... what the hell?
Just think about that for a second. We live in a world where the national football league suspended its greatest player, who had never had even a hint of scandal (before or after), because of what you just wrote.Ohhh here we go using those pesky definitive words. I believe Brady was suspended because he "more likely than not was generally aware of a scheme to deflate footballs".
I've never understood why Brady was suspended on those terms. So if, say, Gronk was generally aware of that, would he have been suspended as well? The Dorito dinks worked for the Patriots, they didn't respond to Brady specifically. Unless you could determine Brady gave an order to deflate balls in violation of the rules, why the fuck would he be suspended for being aware of a scheme and not any other offensive player? It's so stupid. If that's the conclusion, the most they could have done is fine the team, not a player individually.Just think about that for a second. We live in a world where the national football league suspended its greatest player, who had never had even a hint of scandal (before or after), because of what you just wrote.
Meanwhile, the league opted not to suspend a guy who more likely than not broke his son’s arm. And the fact that the general public doesn’t care about Tyreek Hill but wanted Brady burned at the stake tells you all you need to know about why the NFL can get away with this stuff.Just think about that for a second. We live in a world where the national football league suspended its greatest player, who had never had even a hint of scandal (before or after), because of what you just wrote.
Aaron Rodgers broke Covid protocols and spread vaccine misinformation live multiple times while lying to fans and media and his reward will be an MVP. No one gives a shit unless you're successful enough to ruffle feathers.Meanwhile, the league opted not to suspend a guy who more likely than not broke his son’s arm. And the fact that the general public doesn’t care about Tyreek Hill but wanted Brady burned at the stake tells you all you need to know about why the NFL can get away with this stuff.
In the Patriots Wells Report in Context website (not sure if it still exists), they refer to the report as the Wells/Pash Report.Pash did indeed edit the Wells report, pretty sure that's been admitted to by all sides.
I think they fined him but yeah. That should have been a "palpably unfair act," a TD awarded, Tomlin ejected from the game and a long suspension.They had a head coach intentionally walk on the field pretending he was watching the scoreboard at the far end during a live play to interfere with kick returner and they did nothing.