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Completely agree. If I'm paying a guy millions of dollars to play, I want everything about him to be peak - nutrition, training, lifting, etc.
I live in Eugene now, and the Ducks football facilities are the most impressive thing I’ve seen at any level.
Edit: not to say I’ve seen a ton or anything
The nutrition aspect of athletics is so important that all teams should want to do whatever they can do to get the players the food they need to be able to play their best. That's why every major college and pro teams have a training table that provides nutrition-based meals that can also be tailored to each player's needs.
I’m confused by this, though, bc I’ve always heard the Patriots DO provide all the meals and have nutritionists on staff, and have always advocated for this kind of thing because it keeps the players in the facility all day, etc…
Sometimes at work, I see some other team eating a catered lunch. I feel jealous and sad when that happens.
I know this is a separate topic, but I can't believe (unless I am wrong) that no MLB club does all the nutritional/meals for its minor league players. There HAS to be a way a the first team to do so gets some major advantage and benefits from it. A quick google search says that MiLB players get $25.00 per diem on the road only for meals. That is pathetic.
Keep in mind that the Carroll era was before the Patriots became the money making machine that they are now. Kraft might even have been still in the red after buying the team.
They do, that's why they scored decently in that area. People were mentioning it about other teams (for example the Bengals got hit hard last year on food and added availability for 3 meals a day) not the Patriots.
All the teams that do that, have better facilities, better road meals, players think the chefs are better, etc. Personalized meals 3 times a day based on nutritionist input is pretty common around the league.
I think with most of this stuff in the survey, you're mostly looking for the bottom scores then the comments to see teams really slacking, otherwise it's going to fluctuate by how happy players are overall, etc. Hard to truly compare whether guy in NE saying he rates the food a 7/10 in taste is actually worse than the guy in MIA who rates it a 8/10. It's the ones who are getting Fs for not providing the expected level of nutrition/food planning/availability that you're looking for.
I think this is a smart approach, don't worry about anything in the B range or probably even the C range, you're just looking for the Ds and Fs
Good points. But the disparity between the food and nutritionist grades are noteworthy. Falcons got a C in food and A- for nutritionist. Chargers got an F and a B. Chiefs got an C- and an F. I'm going to have to read the comments.
P.S. Chargers F:
P.S. Chargers F:
- They rank 32nd overall in food taste
- They rank 32nd overall in food freshness
- Only 55% of players feel they have enough seating in the cafeteria (32nd overall
- 87% of players feel like they get an individualized plan (12th overall)
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Kurt Warner made a good point on this on the radio this morning. How many of these guys giving grades have a frame of reference to make comparisons for different teams? No one knows all 32.
Of course, it’s a noisy sample - but I think it’s best understood as a directional indicator of player satisfaction. Comparing different teams within categories based on grades, with the possible exception of outlier grades, is generally gonna be a fruitless exercise.
It's the inmates that switch prisons that the other inmates listen to comparing grub, guards, bedding etc. So at the end of the day I think the comparisons are fair.
Calvin Anderson's mysterious illness remains mysterious, as I don't think there's ever been a specific revelation about what infliction ailed him. But as of yesterday, he's making promo videos in Dubai, so...he's back, baby!
View: https://twitter.com/THE_CONDA25/status/1765116943261164009
View: https://twitter.com/THE_CONDA25/status/1765116943261164009
Matthew Judon is on Good Morning Football today. Answering lots of questions re: BB, Coach Mayo, Free agency, the draft, Mac Jones and more. On Mac he said he felt he could make it back to being what he was in his first season, but was open to whatever leadership would do (so what you might expect a player to say to avoid any needless controversies re: Mac. He praised BB, is excited for the new staff, sold New England to Free Agents, he pushed for Calvin Ridley and wanted to add a RB Josh Jacobs among others.
In this Andy Hart explains how a potential Davante Adams trade could go down and it makes me want to weep. THAT would be a hell of a move. Getting a supposedly washed up former NFC North WR from the Raiders has a nice ring to it too.
https://www.youtube.com/live/g5mWI7i5PDs?si=Cc5i5b2xmNPcF-ew
https://www.youtube.com/live/g5mWI7i5PDs?si=Cc5i5b2xmNPcF-ew
I can't imagine a scenario where the Jets GM/QB would allow the Patriots to outbid him for Davante Adams if he were available.
Is there anyone worse than Fitzy and Hart? They're ok in small doses but they're intolerable for any 20+ minute period of time on the Rich Keefe show. If they were on Keefe's show 1-2 hours a week it'd be ok, but they're brutal for more than an hour.
I also can't imagine a scenario where the Patriots trade a 1st plus for the age 32/33/34 seasons of a WR who they have to pay almost 90M for those 3 years. It makes zero sense.
That would make it sweeter.
I don't mind Fitzy and I usually can't stand Hart but I liked the Adams angle and thought it made sense. The other guy is a dipshit.
If Evans is worth 2/52 then Davante is worth 3/90. I make that deal for next years first in a heartbeat.
https://www.profootballnetwork.com/49ers-win-multiple-super-bowls-with-mac-jones-according-to-anonymous-nfl-coaches-2024-trends/
Hey John, we wholeheartedly agree, and although we'll miss him dearly, he's available for the same initial price as 2021. Come and get him!
Hey John, we wholeheartedly agree, and although we'll miss him dearly, he's available for the same initial price as 2021. Come and get him!
I mean... he's not worth that to the Patriots at the cost of what is likely to be a 1st and a 2nd minimum. Why would you add a player that age to a team with a rookie QB and just holes all over the offense? Especially given there were some indications of decline already last year. Very very few WRs are effective into their 32, 33, 34 seasons.
Last year the most productive WR age 32 or older was Adam Thielen (1000 yards 59 per game), the year before it was.... Adam Thielen (716 yards 42 per game), 2021 it was AJ Green (850 yards, 53 a game), 2020 was Antonio Brown (500 yards 60 per game), 2019 was Edelman (1100 yards 70 per game), 2018 was DeSean Jackson (775 yards, 65 per game). These are all either 32 or 33 btw, last guy to have a good age 34 season was Fitz 7 years ago.
Adams was an elite WR, he's still a very good one, but the nature of WRs is that they tend to cliff hard in the beginning of their 30s. You don't trade for one and pay him unless you think you're 1 piece away from a SB. You're more likely to draft an impactful WR with that 1st than get good value out of Adams.
Without actually hearing it, but based on your recap, that'a a real pro answer.
The indications of decline are due to the QBs he’s had and the offenses he’s been a part of. I have less than zero doubt that Davante Adams would be a rookie QBs best friend. “Hey kid, throw me the ball, I’ll be open.” Instantly adds some credibility to the passing game. Adam’s still is an elite WR who is going to give you top 25 productivity numbers for the next 3 years. Next years first round pick may give you that in Adams last year if you’re lucky. I understand the over 32 angle and appreciate the research you did but this is no doubt hall of fame level talent. I’m betting on him having something to prove.
I just don't see the value. Like Tyron Smith... absolutely helps your QB just costs money, no long term negatives... a WR you trade premium draft assets for so your QB can complete a few more passes on your 6 win team, at the expense of real long term talent.... gross.
If Adams were a FA... sure I'd consider it, I'd probably still have reservations about his cap hits, but trading 1sts from bad teams for aging talent that doesn't change your outlook much..... that's what the worst teams in the league do, and it's why they stay the worst teams in the league. If you're trading 1sts for a WR... target somebody you can have for 4-5 years in their prime (Jefferson?). Or better yet, target guys with lesser pick demands (Jeudy, Sutton, etc.).
I'm not sure how anyone can say they don't see the value.
If you said the risk of injury wasn't worth it? Fine.
But this team desperately needs help on the line, and if you want to start your rookie QB off right, you give him time to throw.
I didn't think Tyron was leaving Dallas, so I never really put thought into him. 2 years? Give him 20m a year for 2 years, I don't care.
If you said the risk of injury wasn't worth it? Fine.
But this team desperately needs help on the line, and if you want to start your rookie QB off right, you give him time to throw.
I didn't think Tyron was leaving Dallas, so I never really put thought into him. 2 years? Give him 20m a year for 2 years, I don't care.
The value is undeniable. I take proven talent over the hopes and dreams of the draft 100 times out of 100. I understand there are people who hold a lot of perceived value to the draft picks because of the what ifs. Having a stud WR on a rookie contract for 4-5 years would be amazing. Hoping you end up in a position to draft one while you could have had stud receiver production already is a gamble.
Hey, I get it. If I thought Adams was washed I’d be in your boat. Why the hell would we trade away the possibility of depth and production for our young QB next year and moving forward so this year might be better. I dont see him as in decline just yet. I want to put as many pieces as I can around my new QB immediately. I also don’t think our pick next year is going to be in the top half of the round.
The people in Minnesota should riot if they trade Jefferson. Hes the face of the franchise and the best receiver in the league. I’d tear down that stadium with my bare hands if I were a fan and that happened.
Sutton I don’t get. Hes not a 1. He’s good but he’s not appealing. I wouldn’t actively try to acquire him through trade.
Jeudy on the other hand, I’d consider trading for if I didn’t think Denver was going to just let him go. Not for a first though like you said. Maybe a future conditional second based on production but that’s really pushing it. I’d also need to be sure he’d be willing to sign long term.
The Rams would like a word about trading firsts for aging talent. Won them a Super Bowl. All they had to do was draft smarter.
He did play 5 games with NE and picked off Josh Allen...
Developmental corner that played pretty well.
EDIT: "According to NFL Media's Ian Rapoport, the Patriots "appear open to trading" their 2021 first-round quarterback this offseason. Teams across the league have reportedly been calling New England to inquire about Jones."
EDIT: "A recent report from the Boston Herald revealed that league executives believe Jones' trade value is a fifth- or sixth-round draft pick."
On the one hand, this level of comp for Mac seems like a gift. On the other, there's an argument to be made that, if you cross your fingers and squint really hard, he should be valued higher than that. Yes, obviously he’s become a total disaster, but a fresh start, an understanding of how BB and the staff bungled his development…who knows? I’d think SF, who was initially rumored (FWIW) to be thinking of drafting Mac at #3 overall, might pony up a 4th for him. There’s definitely value there, especially in their current QB-as-point-guard system. Surround Mac with an OL and all their weapons, who’s to say he couldn’t be as good if not better than Brock Purdy? (Answer: I am. I am to say. But still.)
https://www.nbcsportsboston.com/nfl/new-england-patriots/report-teams-calling-patriots-about-potential-mac-jones-trade/593860/?partner=yahoo
EDIT: "A recent report from the Boston Herald revealed that league executives believe Jones' trade value is a fifth- or sixth-round draft pick."
On the one hand, this level of comp for Mac seems like a gift. On the other, there's an argument to be made that, if you cross your fingers and squint really hard, he should be valued higher than that. Yes, obviously he’s become a total disaster, but a fresh start, an understanding of how BB and the staff bungled his development…who knows? I’d think SF, who was initially rumored (FWIW) to be thinking of drafting Mac at #3 overall, might pony up a 4th for him. There’s definitely value there, especially in their current QB-as-point-guard system. Surround Mac with an OL and all their weapons, who’s to say he couldn’t be as good if not better than Brock Purdy? (Answer: I am. I am to say. But still.)
https://www.nbcsportsboston.com/nfl/new-england-patriots/report-teams-calling-patriots-about-potential-mac-jones-trade/593860/?partner=yahoo
The Pats should perversely be selling the "BB stunted his development" angle. I don't think it's true but maybe someone bites. If they can get a 4th or 5th for him that's miraculous.
It's realistic. Look it how bad most of the QBs picked after round 2 end up being. I don't think the argument even needs to be BB stunted his development. He had a very good rookie year. The argument is he was already developed and the Patriots ruined him. It's a sentiment shared by a lot of people, including Tom Curran.
I think I would staple a 5th to him if necessary. Thankfully they can just cut him. I'll be stunned if they get as high as a 5th and and absolutely amazed if they get a 4th.
Part of it too, is he's on the last year of his rookie deal. If he had two years left instead of one, the return would likely be higher. In this case, I think a 5th is realistic.