(2) New York Knicks vs (6) Indiana Pacers - 2024 EC Second Round
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Yea, I'm in a few knicks chats. None of us are happy with the style of play that game or the ugliness of the last 2 minutes. A win is a win, though. We're guaranteed get an opposite whistle at some point.
Lost in the ref-show..... Carlisle did not go to his bench (his team's advantage) at all in the 4th, he just watched his guys get beat, and never even considered whether putting in the guy who hounded Brunson or the guy who was keeping NYK off the glass might be a good idea.
Yeah, from my biased Knicks perspective, they seemed to miss stuff evenly both ways (like those 2 kickballs, both with weird replay involvement) until that completely unnecessary moving screen call on Turner.
I think Divincenzo sold that earlier when he yelled at the ref about his own foul when he collided with a screener that fell down. Really dumb call which obviously completely changed the last possession.
You should totally replace Thibs as coach. He absolutely isn't aware of the minutes of his players and potential ramifications. Especially not because he's gotten asked this question in every post game since like November.
Or look on the other side of the court. Sit someone like McConnell and wish you hadn't.
I’m still furious at Zarba for some of his calls in the 2021 playoffs – at least one of which turned a call for Jaylen into a call against him when the video evidence suggested the original call was correct.
He absolutely loves these video reviews.
He absolutely loves these video reviews.
The problem with Halliburton is that he's not good (right now), but you have to play him.
They actually didn't I don't think, they ruled no foul and that IND would have recovered, they don't continue past the whistle in a review.
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you don't have to play him the whole 4th.
But yeah I'm sure it's a case of "I want this job long term and that means coddling my star even if it means losing this game and this series"
I'm amazed the Pacers turned it over only 7 times as frenetic as they played. Lot of possessions where they barely had control or lost it with an over-aggressive pass but would get it back just being a little faster to the ball. Fun team to watch.
I think the biggest factor in rigging this game for the Knicks was Carlisle locking McConnell up on the bench, who would have won the game by himself.
I think the biggest factor in rigging this game for the Knicks was Carlisle locking McConnell up on the bench, who would have won the game by himself.
Officiating wasn't great at the end but so it goes. Indiana had a 9 point lead in the 4th and couldn't close. Some bad plays down the stretch. Real story for me is Haliburton looking brutal again. He's clearly not 100% but if hes gonna play like this its going to take a pretty crazy effort from the other starters for Indy to win this series.
I've seen a couple people mention it, the refs DID NOT miss an Indy kicked ball. That ball was deflected by the defender's hand into someone's foot. It was a correct no-call.
Didn't know that. Funny that they can presume a team will recover possession but can't assume that a kickball that actually happened would happen.
Actually might not be, now seeing it again I think they ruled the foot was not moved into the ball, which is probably the right call, and THEN they stopped the play.
I guess we'll see.. he loves running his players into the ground and yes he knows it.. not sure why that matters? If the Knicks get to the ECF it will be the first time a team coached by him has got that far.
edit: none of this may matter, but we've definitely seen teams at least seem to get tired. And it's not like the idea of running teams with short rotations is anything new. Who knows why Thibodeau's teams don't win..maybe this Knicks team has what it takes.
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You know they have somebody in the league office grinding this tape with a stopwatch looking for 3 second calls to try and balance out the L2M for tomorrow.
I'm not sure the L2M will vindicate the Pacers. The valid argument is really just that that call on DiVincenzo is a rare and unusual call, not that it's wrong. So far in the 7 NY playoff games I've watched, the last 2 minutes of every game is a total godamn guessing game on how the refs are going to call shit. I don't understand it. It's like a coin flip between "let them play" and "call random shit but not other random shit"
the kick ball was the truly attrocious call.
Also the overturn on the Brunson foul was criminal, but that won't be on the report.
I'm sure they will say the illegal screen was illegal, but anybody watching knows they never ever call that, nevermind to decide a playoff game.
Knicks played hard and tough, they also were massively benefited by a bunch of terrible officiating by Zarba's crew.
No, to me it is an incorrect call that is also wildly inappropriate in that situation. L2M won’t say so, but people who watch basketball know it was an awful call.
the Knicks playoff games have been amazing for the chaos at end. Some of that is how physical they are; some is that they just play and compete so consistently. It’s a fun team.
I think next game.
That said, I've been STUNNED by some of the moving screens I've seen throughout the playoffs. Andrew Bogut would've loved how many moving screens are permitted these days (unless you sell it).
It is inapropriate in the situation mainly because it is ignored the rest of the game. It is absolutely the correct call and something we all have bitched about during the Miami series with Bam
I overall agree with you. It's not sustainable for hart to play 48 minutes every game. We're going to see what the result of it is because I'm not sure they're getting anything from the bench.
Yeah.. I wasn't trying to be a dick, but if the Knicks basically go to an 8 man rotation (in basically name only) they're going to be dog tired if they get to the finals.
And you're right about Hart.. his entire game really relies on his energy.
Edit: to their credit.. the Knicks seemed to gain energy as the game went on and maybe benefitted them by the end to come back from 10 down late.
You misunderstand the rule and the call.
bam moves while setting screens—what’s the violation we all talk about. Turner didn’t move nor did they suggest he did. They called the other half of the rule- which you virtually never see and no one was talking about last series.
I do believe there was time for defender to react there. Thus, incorrect call. That divincenzo could flop is part of how you know there was time to react
it’s a truly awful call
On the flip side, inbound the ball correctly, that was at least 6 or 7 points handed away.
There was a major adjustment on defense. I think the first half of this game was both teams trying to figure each other out. The Knicks finally did it once they realized Mitch was a slob tonight.
They need to play Achiuwa more, he had four blocks in 20 minutes in game 4 of the PHI series and didn't play the next two games at all, then just 4 minutes tonight.
Was confused about where he was all game. And Deuce too.
Edit: Deuce had a very invisible 11 minutes
Yeah, he has disappeared the last few games like Quickley did all last postseason, and NY really can't afford that with this set of personnel.
Deuce actively played poorly, especially on D. Basically allowing straighline drives / fastbreaks to McConnell repeatedly. They really need him, at this point it's just a question of when they'll wear down.
Achiuwa didn't really have an opportunity to play well or poorly.
Achiuwa didn't really have an opportunity to play well or poorly.
Oh.
View: https://twitter.com/TimBontemps/status/1787679097298047040
As expected, the officials say that, upon review, the kicked ball call against Aaron Nesmith was incorrect.
View: https://twitter.com/TimBontemps/status/1787679097298047040
As expected, the officials say that, upon review, the kicked ball call against Aaron Nesmith was incorrect.
I think the Pacers had under 10 rebounds in the entire 2nd half. Was just eyeballing the numbers so I cannot confirm.
Just make obvious ones be called from NY. In the 20 seconds it takes to get everyone checked in and out of bounds sorted, half these obvious calls could just be radioed in
Heh, this is of course correct but this is how Thibs rolls, especially with no Randle/Bogdanovic, and it has been working so far.
Thibs got to the ECF his first year as a HC. 2011 Bulls got to the ECF and even won game 1 against Miami before losing 4 straight.
Yeah, they need to vest more power in the replay center if they want replay to be workable.